# 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?


The Sun never sets or rises, it stays the same distance over the Earth throughout it’s daily/annual journeys around. The appearance of rising and setting is all based on the law of perspective on plane surfaces. The Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth.

From our vantage point, due to the Law of Perspective, the day/night luminaries appear to rise up the Eastern horizon, curve peaking high overhead, and then sink below the Western horizon. They do not escape to the underside of the Flat-Earth as one might imagine, but rather rotate concentric clockwise circles around the circumference from tropic to tropic.  ~ Eric Dubay.

Sun Over horizon on Flat Earth explained

“Although the Sun is at all times above and parallel to the Earth’s surface, he appears to ascend the firmament from morning until noon, and to descend and sink below the horizon at evening. This arises from a simple and everywhere visible law of perspective. A flock of birds, when passing over a flat or marshy country, always appears to descend as it recedes; and if the flock is extensive, the first bird appears lower, or nearer to the horizon than the last. The farthest light in a row of lamps appears the lowest, although each one has the same altitude. Bearing these phenomena in mind, it will easily be seen how the Sun, although always parallel to the surface of the Earth, must appear to ascend when approaching, and descend after leaving the meridian or noon-day position.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (85)

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Law of Perspective

“This law of Perspective meets us on every hand; and cannot be gainsaid.

If, in a straight line, we look at a frozen lake from a certain distance, we shall observe people who appear to be skating on their knees, but, if we approach sufficiently near, we shall see them performing graceful motions on their feet. Farther, if we look through a straight tunnel, we shall notice that the roof and the roadway below converge to a point of light at the end.

It is the same law which makes the hills sink, to the horizon, as the observer recedes, which explains how the ship’s hull disappears in the offing. I would also remark that when the sea is undisturbed by waves, the hull can be restored to sight by the aid of a good telescope long after it has disappeared from the naked eye, thus proving that the ship had not gone down behind the watery hill of a convex globe, but is still sailing on the level of a Plane sea.” -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (75)

“What can be more common than the observation that, standing at one end of a long row of lamp-posts, those nearest to us seem to be the highest; and those farthest away the lowest; whilst, as we move along towards the opposite end of the series, those which we approach seem to get higher, and those we are leaving behind appear to gradually become lower … It is an ordinary effect of perspective for an object to appear lower and lower as the observer goes farther and farther away from it.

Let any one try the experiment of looking at a light-house, church spire, monument, gas lamp, or other elevated object, from a distance of only a few yards, and notice the angle at which it is observed. On going farther away, the angle under which it is seen will diminish, and the object will appear lower and lower as the distance of the observer increases, until, at a certain point, the line of sight to the object, and the apparently uprising surface of the earth upon or over which it stands, will converge to the angle which constitutes the ‘vanishing point’ or the horizon; beyond which it will be invisible.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (230-1)


Why A Ship Appears to Go Down Over the Horizon

  “Another favorite “proof” of ball-Earthers is the appearance from an observer on shore of ships’ hulls being obfuscated by the water and disappearing from view when sailing away towards the horizon. Their claim is that ship’s hulls disappear before their mast-heads because the ship is beginning its declination around the convex curvature of the ball-Earth.

Once again, however, their hasty conclusion is drawn from a faulty premise, namely that only on a ball-Earth can this phenomenon occur. The fact of the matter is that the Law of Perspective on plane surfaces dictates and necessitates the exact same occurrence. For example a girl wearing a dress walking away towards the horizon will appear to sink into the Earth the farther away she walks. Her feet will disappear from view first and the distance between the ground and the bottom of her dress will gradually diminish until after about half a mile it seems like her dress is touching the ground as she walks on invisible legs.

The same happens with cars speeding away, the axles gradually get lower and the wheels vanish until it appears as if the car is gliding along its body. Such is the case on plane surfaces, the lowest parts of objects receding from a given point of observation necessarily disappear before the highest.”  ~ Eric Dubay, Flat Earth Conspiracy


“Although the Sun is at all times above and parallel to the Earth’s surface, he appears to ascend the firmament from morning until noon, and to descend and sink below the horizon at evening. This arises from a simple and everywhere visible law of perspective. A flock of birds, when passing over a flat or marshy country, always appears to descend as it recedes; and if the flock is extensive, the first bird appears lower, or nearer to the horizon than the last.

The farthest light in a row of lamps appears the lowest, although each one has the same altitude. Bearing these phenomena in mind, it will easily be seen how the Sun, although always parallel to the surface of the Earth, must appear to ascend when approaching, and descend after leaving the meridian or noon-day position.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (85)

Clouds at distance appear to be going down on the horizon.

Same with the Sun. Yet it is really just following a circle away.

708 thoughts on “# 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?

  1. Brian Johnston July 23, 2017 at 6:28 am Reply

    My last comment should read helical not elliptical. 2 times
    I saw my mistake as soon as it was posted


    • FactYouAll July 24, 2017 at 10:37 pm Reply

      Thanks for the clarification. I have an experiment that almost anyone can do, that might help understand the scenario you describe: earth (& planets) circling around the sun, which itself is moving (in some direction and fashion).

      If a person (Bob) was to take a ball attached to a string, with the other end of the string attached to a portable power drill. Held by a person standing in one place, the drill could be turned on, and the ball would circle around the drill chuck. A stationary observer near bob should see a ball traveling in a circle; an ordinary basic movement pattern.

      Now let the person with the drill begin walking down the sidewalk. A person walking behind them might still see a simple circle. However, a person standing across the street, should see the ball follow a much more complex pattern; like a screw thread, or perhaps helical pathway.

      So what do we have? the ball is always circling the drill at all times; yet the observed pattern at points away from the drill differs. This has to do with relative observation and relative motions involved. By walking, a second motion, independent to the drill motor rotating, becomes part of the multi-dimensional reality of other observers. What Bob sees is accurate, and what others see is also accurate, from their respective frames of reference.

      The compound motion is not simply a result of the circular force spinning the ball, just like something that orbits the sun. If the sun is also moving in some direction, it has no relation to the spinning (orbit) of the ball (earth). Separate actions are due to separate causes. A single over-arching action is not what leads to the effects observed by anyone besides Bob.

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  2. FactYouAll July 24, 2017 at 3:23 am Reply


    Re: “What keeps all these planets in an elliptical orbit?”

    Well, what keeps you and all objects situated in place upon the surface of earth?


    • Michael July 24, 2017 at 6:23 am Reply

      Good question: What does keep everything in place? Cos it sure as hell can’t be gravity on a flat earth.

      Would be interested in yr answer as the whole FE theory founders on this.


      • Arron June 9, 2018 at 3:52 am

        Let’s suppose that earth is flat. Even then, gravity is still what keeps in place. Flat earth is still a physical thing which has a mass. As we know mass is directly related to gravity. Gravity is the acceleration exerted on the object by another which is the result of it force and mass. Now flat earth will still need that to keep things in place otherwise everything will float regardless of the shape of the earth.


  3. Brian Johnston July 24, 2017 at 8:58 am Reply

    Gravity keeps us on the earth. Problem
    No one knows what gravity is
    Question should read what keeps planets following earth in a helical orbit (My mistake originally)
    Added to that the planets are not all in the same helical direction
    It is like a complex murder cas0e. Something is missing


  4. worldpoop July 24, 2017 at 9:38 am Reply

    “…that nothing is displaced as a body moves through a vacuum is instantly disproved by an observation of a comet’s tail.” Observing the tail suggests many more possibilities than vacuous wind, wherein the real reason for a comet’s tail is knowable and even observable. This is, in fact, a fairly good example of poor intuition, that to observe the tail must mean that matter is displaced precisely by its movement in a vacuum. It is an arbitrary conclusion, much like “a bullet being small must mean that it is harmless” is an arbitrary conclusion. Undisciplined reasoning is not useful to YOU. It is certainly not in defense of God — it is, in a sense, in offense to God and the truth. Again, you can understand a vacuum yourself, using a vacuum that you make yourself.


  5. Robert Post July 26, 2017 at 9:12 am Reply

    So one should be able to observe the sun with a good telescope once we see the sun disappear because of the perspective, because the sun doesn’t go below the horizon but just gets further from the observer. Is this what you observe?


  6. Brian Johnston July 28, 2017 at 3:14 am Reply

    At midday the sun is overhead and say one millions miles above us
    As the sun moves to the west in a ‘circular’ direct on a flat earth it should not go anywhere near the horizon. For goodness sake the radius of the earth is only about 4,000 miles.
    I would have to say that suggesting the sun nearing the horizon and appearing to disappear as having something to do with the law of perspective is nonsense

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    • HappyBirthday July 28, 2017 at 2:42 pm Reply

      Brian, altho I agree with you, I do think that flat earth ststs say that the sun is only 5,000 miles overhead. The geometry using those numbers still gives us a fairly large angle from a viewer, let’s say, in the United States, to a setting sun, which means that you would never see the sun disappear. If it just moves away from the viewer it should appear smaller, as flat earthers tell us, but we have very powerful telescopes that should easily bring it back into view. I’ve yet to see any video made that does anything like this. How many pieces of real evidence do they need? That one should be a gimme.


      • Steviant July 28, 2017 at 10:19 pm

        The answer is obvious, the sun has a lampshade. Lampshade-theory also explains how the sun can cast physically impossible shadows on the Earth’s surface. You may think the idea of a magic lampshade sounds absurd, but if you allow for a flying spotlight 5000 miles high circling above a flat Earth without a viable power source to explain its glowing or any explanation of its motive force, then you can’t discount the idea of a shape shifting lampshade, as you’ve long ago entered the realm of magical fantasy.


      • HappyBirthday July 28, 2017 at 10:35 pm

        Steviant, of course, the magic lampshade. Why didn’t I think of it? Also take note of the self illuminating moon. Fireflies, perhaps?
        It’s all just a giant distraction.


      • Steviant July 29, 2017 at 2:53 am

        Lampshade theory also explains solar eclipses without needing to invoke a third opaque mega-sun black body


      • HappyBirthday July 29, 2017 at 3:33 am

        Steve. Oh right. The third dark planet thing that causes those pesky eclipses. But what in the world is that lampshade made from? Clouds, gasses, hemp?


      • Steviant July 29, 2017 at 3:42 am

        The great thing about flat earth theory is that we don’t need to explain anything. At this point I just start calling you a NASA shill and turn to ad-hominem attacks. The lampshade is made of magic and that’s all you need to know, like how the sun itself is made of magic glowy stuff, the colour of its light suggests it’s probably some kind of hydrogen burning torch but there doesn’t appear to be a fuel supply. I guess it’s piped in from behind the firmament.


      • HappyBirthday July 29, 2017 at 1:25 pm

        Obviously you’re a paid shill! Trolling this fact based website just to stir up trouble.
        So the sun is made up of “glowy stuff”? And here I thought it was a giant electric light bulb plugged into an extension cord from God’s house.


  7. Brian Johnston July 30, 2017 at 1:25 am Reply

    Steviant: Magic, glowy stuff, suggests, probably, doesn’t appear, I guess. You are here just to tease and torment with your deviant nonsense. Go find another site


    • Steviant July 30, 2017 at 7:05 am Reply

      Please, rather than labelling me a deviant and telling me to go away, explain what powers the glowing of the flying spotlight, or what force holds it in its circling path, or what force prevents it crashing to earth, or how it casts physically impossible shadows without a lampshade, and how it illuminates and casts shadows on the underside of clouds at sunrise and sunset, without invoking magic.

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      • Finnixflexxin June 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm

        “Magic” is just science that stupid people (you) don’t understand… You’re just too dumb to get it Lol


  8. Brian Johnston July 30, 2017 at 1:38 am Reply

    Happy Birthday: 5,000 miles seems a bit close
    The sun ‘rises’ and causes a shadow which becomes increasingly shorter as midday approaches. The sun on a FE travels in a circle? Therefore as the shadow decreases it would/should also move in a circle opposing the sun’s circle. I don’t think it does because the sun travels in a straight line?


    • HappyBirthday July 30, 2017 at 11:43 pm Reply

      Brian, from all I’ve read about the flat earth, those who seem to have the most to say, write that the earth and sun are 5,000 miles from the earth, and they are some 300 miles in diameter. And that they both travel in a circuit around the circumference of the FE, but not along the edge (Antarctica), but on a circuit maybe halfway between the center (north pole) and the outer rim.

      I agree that the shadows that we see do not make sense with this scenario. The only places that the sun would be directly overhead are those along that particular circuit.

      But what I have never been given an explanation for is how a sun that is 5,000 over the earth and runs along a circuit and never “sets” can create night. We never see the sun shrinking into a dot, but it disappears as its full size over the horizon as it sets. And when you do the math using FE numbers, you get a considerable size angle from the POV of a viewer to the sun (what did i figure, 20 degrees?) at sunset if you live in the United States. That’s way too big of an angle to not be able to “bring it back” into view with a good telescope.

      So, once again, if any FE enthusiasts have a video of that phenomenon, similar to the ones I see posted with ships on the ocean, please post them.

      And, I would challenge anyone who is making the ships/ocean video with a telescope, to continue following that ship with your telescope. At some point, it will totally disappear, and it’s not because of the atmosphere obscuring the view. It’s from the curvature of the earth.

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      • FactYouAll July 31, 2017 at 3:27 am

        HB – from the cartoonish “simulations” one sees of the sun above the FE, there is a common part where the sun’s path shifts between the FE versions of the equator and the 2 tropics, so that these latitudes get their 12 hours of day and night twice a year.

        However, they never can quite explain what causes these expanding and contracting shifts in the sun’s path. Or even the force needed to reverse between expansion and contraction (on an annual and everlasting time frame).

        Conservation of momentum? – who needs it!!!!

        p.s. – do you think there might be a psychedelic lampshade option for the sun?


  9. Brian Johnston August 1, 2017 at 12:52 am Reply

    The sun never changes in size? Answer: The distance between overhead and either sunrise or sunset is a small distance relative to how far away the sun is.


  10. djalicex August 14, 2017 at 9:37 am Reply

    I once took my girlfriend up in a hot air balloon to watch the Sun Set and we watched it disappear under the horizon. Your coin analogy only works if the camera/viewer is below the plain of the table/Earth. From my vantage point so far high up I should be able to see the Sun forever if it didn’t dip below the horizon. It would also get smaller and smaller but it does not. The next morning it rose in the East. How could it get from West to East while the sky is in total darkness? My friends in Australia can see the Sun when I cannot (while Skypping them). This would not be possible on a flat earth. As long as you are above the plain of the ground you should be able to see the Sun no matter how far away it is. This does not happen.


    • HappyBirthday August 14, 2017 at 5:04 pm Reply

      djalicex, correct. Try not to confuse them with reality, ie, science.
      Because science is a fraud, invented by the Jesuits. Photos of what we see with our eyes ought to give them pause. But seriously, flat earth is impossible for so many reasons. Perhaps the earth scientists could weigh in if they feel so inclined. Let’s keep our bibles out of the conversation. They are far too inaccurate to tell us what shape the earth is.
      I’ve been wondering for some time now if this whole flat earth nonsense is just a ploy to see how gullible the public really is. Methinks so.


      • Brolyn August 14, 2017 at 7:29 pm

        What I did the sun news not a object but just light itself. Kind of like how the light shining off the sun only covers half the earth at a time “on the flat earth model” what if the reason we see the sun disappearing is just because that is how far away we can see “sun light”


  11. Brolyn August 14, 2017 at 7:33 pm Reply

    What If the sun news not a object but just light itself. Kind of like how the light shining off the sun only covers half the earth at a time “on the flat earth model” what if the reason we see the sun disappearing is just because that is how far away we can see “sun light” sorry I’m half cut ATM but I have had this conversation many times


  12. Dan August 23, 2017 at 12:51 pm Reply

    If the sun disappears into the horizon from perspective then it would shrink into a dot. In the morning it would start as a dot and grow as it moved closer and shrink as it moved away. But in reality the size of the sun doesn’t change so it isn’t moving closer or farther away.

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    • Brolyn August 23, 2017 at 10:11 pm Reply

      What if the sun was not a object but just light. Why if the reason we see the sun disappearing is just because that is how for we can see sun light


  13. Brian Johnston August 24, 2017 at 12:07 pm Reply

    I do not believe the earth is spinning at 1,000mph

    We have to resolve this first

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    • worldpoop August 24, 2017 at 6:05 pm Reply

      All the physics and math is available to you to study, and everything relative to this “belief” is verifiable with simple irrefutable experiments in your own home.


  14. adamgreggs@gmail.com August 29, 2017 at 5:52 am Reply

    Theres a video on youtube that will CLEARLY show how the sun DOES NOT set and it really is all down to perspective thanks to the superzoom Nikon p900. Go to youtube and type Nikon p900 sunset.
    My jaw dropped,the sun is nearly set (You can see about a third of it, then when the camera zooms in, THE SUN MAGICALLY LEAVES SUNSET AND RISES BACK UP HIGH in the sky and you are able to see air between the whole sun and horizon. CASE SOLVED, cant beat evidence

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    • worldpoop August 29, 2017 at 8:20 pm Reply

      Sure looks like a sunset to me:


    • Graynomad August 29, 2017 at 9:14 pm Reply

      What the heck are you talking about adamgreggs, it clearly sets in that video.

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    • FactYouAll August 31, 2017 at 3:09 am Reply


      Please cite a single video for us to watch, rather than a search pattern that has several results.

      Please also confirm that you are talking about a video where during a deep zoom, that the sun remains a circle image above the horizon, and disappears into a small dot before completely disappearing.


  15. Brian Johnston August 30, 2017 at 6:44 am Reply

    If the sun moved in a circle above a FE it would never go near the horizon

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    • Steviant August 30, 2017 at 7:27 am Reply

      Brian Johnston — you’re forgetting about the Law of Perspective which states that when objects recede away from an observer over the surface of the Earth they will only appear to fall below the horizon to people with an IQ greater than their shoe size.

      According to the Law of Perspective as the IQ of an observer approaches zero, the likelihood of stupidity-induced-hallucinations causing the observer to believe that objects are shrinking towards a point wher they inexplicably become invisible instead of seeing the object falling below the horizon increases to nearly 100 percent.

      At least, that’s how I understand it.


      • HappyBirthday August 30, 2017 at 4:50 pm

        If the sun “inexplicably” becomes invisible then you should easily be able to see it again thru a good telescope. But I’ve yet to see anyone try that. It’s not that far away and you can get a powerful telescope to bring it back.


  16. adamgreggs@gmail.com August 30, 2017 at 7:54 am Reply

    Ha Ha ,what is it with trolls and shills when you talk flat earth, its pretty OBVIOUS the sun is not 93 Million miles away and neither is it a ball of fire (You got to be stupid to believe that) How does a ball of fire feed plants (Photosynthesis) ,give me vitamins and charge water (Surya chikitsa)? What a burning ball of fire? OK, so why doesnt it look like a ball of fire in amateur superzoom videos only Official CGI ? Then theres the holographic moon, thats been recorded many times DISSOLVING OR VANISHING into thin air, ALL the clips ive seen show a FULL moon literally vanishing or fizzling away as though its a process after the full moon. Is that why we call it a New moon? because it is just that A NEW MOON. Oh and why did the latest eclipse go the wrong direction and why is a eclipse in 7 years going to go the opposite direction of the last one? Also were told stars are suns millions of light years away lol , WHY DONT THEY LOOK ANYTHING LIKE SUNS ? and why can we zoom in millions of light years away?


    • FactYouAll August 31, 2017 at 3:02 am Reply


      a ball of fire? – who uses those words besides yourself? BTW, what causes the light of the sun in your view, anyways?

      Photosynthesis — scientists understand this process; they even know artificial light isn’t as good as sun light. As far as vitamins, I think you and I both know the Flintstones give us vitamins.

      Oh and why did the latest eclipse go the wrong direction and why is a eclipse in 7 years going to go the opposite direction of the last one? — Well, the eclipse went in the direction it was said it would be progressing across the US. Do you claim it didn’t have that appearance?

      Also were told stars are suns millions of light years away lol , — Actually, the calculated distance to the sun from earth is 93 million miles (rounded).
      WHY DONT THEY LOOK ANYTHING LIKE SUNS? — The next nearest star is about 4.3 light years from Earth. That is about 300 billion times farther away than our sun; makes sense they would be smaller.

      why can we zoom in millions of light years away? — I give up, what are you asking about?


  17. adamgreggs@gmail.com August 30, 2017 at 2:46 pm Reply

    I would like to hear a scientific explanation please , just answer the questions WITHOUT resorting to “Ahh your stupid , i hope you dont have kids ” yadda yadda . They are questions that YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ANSWER FOR, if you cant answer them then maybe you need to ask yourself WHY. Its not ‘Rocket’ science. Heres another one – WHY DO STARS DISSAPEAR WHEN WE GO HIGH UP IN THE SKY? Both official and amateur footage shows the same, WHY? Shouldnt they become clearer seen as were nearing them and theres less light interferance? So why or how can they TOTALLY DISSAPEAR ?? We have been blinded from common sense , people need to learn the art of CRITICAL THINKING instead of believing everything their told or taught by their MASTERS. You have a brain. USE IT, and theres NO CURVITURE … DO THE MATHS AND TEST IT , or simply believe what your told, 8 inches per square mile she said , nope its not there


    • HappyBirthday August 30, 2017 at 9:40 pm Reply

      Adam. A very little research will give you a good answer. You definitely can see stars from space. Look it up.


    • HappyBirthday August 30, 2017 at 11:02 pm Reply

      Adam, here’s an excellent blog on the topic: http://embracetheball.blogspot.com/2016/12/eight-inches-per-mile-squared.html


    • Steviant August 30, 2017 at 11:24 pm Reply

      Stars don’t disappear when you reach space.

      Photos of satellites, Earth and other planets and The Sun have their exposure times adjusted so that you can see the object being photographed which is much brighter than the stars. If the exposure time were adjusted to see stars the foreground object would look like a spotlight shining into the camera.

      This is a basic rule of photography, a single photo can’t have a very bright object and a very dim one next to each other without being doctored together from two separate photos.

      The human eye has greater dynamic range than any camera film or sensor available to consumers which makes this counterintuitive, but there’s no rule that says the universe is obligated to be intuitive to human beings.

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    • worldpoop August 31, 2017 at 2:36 am Reply

      Please provide the footage and its “official” source. More to the matter, please provide the math you speak of.


  18. adamgreggs@gmail.com August 30, 2017 at 3:46 pm Reply

    Good Joke:
    How do we believe earths moving furiously in 4 directions at millions of miles a hour yet we feel NOTHING?
    A: Non measurable magical forces called Gravity and inertia

    LMAO , the stuff people believe without question is REDICULOUS


    • Steviant August 30, 2017 at 11:13 pm Reply

      Your sense of the “rediculous” is as keen as your sense of humour.

      Once you’ve presented your theory that explains the motions of all observable objects in the universe, and it has passed every scientific test thrown at it for two hundred years, you’ll be qualified to ridicule the theory of gravity.

      Of course… you don’t have a theory of motion or anything else for that matter because you’re a flat earther and flat earthers haven’t contributed to science in any meaningful way ever.


  19. adamgreggs@gmail.com August 31, 2017 at 5:24 am Reply

    What a load of poo, i have much to say nut im not even going to reply, Youtube ‘Nikon p900 Mars’ … If you think we can land on that light in the sky, well its just funny. Bye


  20. Brian Johnston September 3, 2017 at 12:21 am Reply

    If the sun moved in a circle over a flat earth it would never move from and to the horizon.

    The sun ‘rises’ in the east and ‘sets’ in the west. That folks is a straight line


    • arnolde September 11, 2017 at 1:44 am Reply

      and i experience something totally different in reality , and i know when im spinning 5mph never mind 8million, Water on a spinning 8 million mph ball but that lake hasnt got a ripple?? yet the moons gravity causes sea tides (no tides in lakes or resevoirs or rivers) and earths gravity magically keeps the moon locked Thousands of miles away . Hmmm


      • FactYouAll September 12, 2017 at 6:01 am

        arnolde – and just what keeps you locked to the surface of the earth?

        BTW – 8 million – really???


      • Proof is out there December 9, 2017 at 6:53 am

        Flat earth argument: “If the earth was rotating and moving around the sun at such great speeds, I would be able to feel it”.
        Actually, no you wouldn’t. You were born here on earth. You have lived here all your life. Whatever movement you think you would be able to feel has always been going on. Even if it was something that you can feel, you body would be ‘used to it’ by now.


  21. Marj September 11, 2017 at 10:28 am Reply

    CIf the Earth is flat and the sun travels in a circle above flat Earth, then a telescope would bring the sun into view, even in the middle of the night.


  22. worldpoop September 13, 2017 at 8:25 pm Reply

    Learn. Basic. Physics. Go to the library, get a book. This isn’t worth dignifying with an answer because it is so clearly written by someone who never learned basic science. By basic, I mean, laws of gravity and inertia, their relation to mass, etc etc.. The very, very specific MATH. Things you can verify with simple intuitive experiments in your own backyard.

    It’s silly — it sounds silly — to argue against basic, proven, provable facts like the law of gravity. Opinions are one thing, but facts are another.

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  23. no spam September 29, 2017 at 10:55 pm Reply

    Mt Ranier casting a shadow on clouds demonstrates that the sun is in fact lower in the sky at dawn.


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  24. Dan October 31, 2017 at 5:38 pm Reply

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry! Laugh it is…. LOL

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  25. Shane Buck November 6, 2017 at 11:05 am Reply


    Just following up as I didn’t hear back from you, sorry to email you again. I noticed your page aplanetruth.info/17-if-a-flat-earth-why-does-the-sun-go-down/comment-page-1/ links to http://www.timeanddate.com. Unfortunately, that site isn’t very accessible for the sight impaired. Would you consider adding a link to a more accessible version like http://www.thetimenow.com which is WCAG 2.0 compatible?Date and Time – All Time Zones and Stuff

    Also, if you ever want to see how accessible a page is, I recommend wave.webaim.org. It is really helpful.

    Shane Buck


  26. Dan November 21, 2017 at 11:51 pm Reply

    Ummm…. Your example is in no way related to your theory. Supposedly in a FE, the sun is hovering ABOVE us. In your example you placed a coin on a table and moved it horizontally away from you. This is in no way a valid explanation of the sun setting past the horizon. Try harder buddy.


  27. Hasan November 25, 2017 at 5:58 pm Reply

    If the ocean were truly a flat plan then I would expect to see the sun get progressively smaller as it approaches the horizon until it shrinks down to nothing – as it is often seen to do when it sets over very flat land. But the fact that the sun seems to sink, rather than shrink, into the sea strongly suggests that there is some curvature.

    However, when one takes atmospheric pressure into a account it become perfectly explicable why the ocean should have some curvature to it while the earth itself does not. If you spill water on a perfectly flat table, the surface of the spill will always be slightly convex due the uniform pressure exerted by he atmosphere; and if you only spill a few drops, the surface will be even more curvy. That the sun does NOT sink below the horizon when the horizon consists of flat land would be baffling if the earth were actually a spheroid.


  28. jam chu November 25, 2017 at 11:50 pm Reply

    It’s hard to imagine just why this conversation is still going on. The F.E-thers never care an attempt to logically explain exactly why and how the sun seems to travel westward (as the earth is actually spinning toward the east)….and at every point on the surface of the globe, humanity sees the sun rise over the eastern horizon and appears to travel across the sky…setting on the western horizon. I know…there is a lame attempt….but…….
    What…are we suppose to believe that the sun goes around on the bottom side of this flat pancake and happens to appear just above our eastern horizon again? That’s the only way it could get back to that side.
    You don’t have to climb that high in an aircraft to see the curvature of the planet. And at 80K feet, ultra high flying aircraft can absolutely and without doubt, see that our planet is round like a ball. There’s plenty of real photos from those aircraft, but you like to just show the phony ones taken from Apollo missions.
    Time zones around the globe are set to account for the progressive spinning of earth in relation to the sun….until it hits the International Date Line, just west of the most northwestern island (Kure) of the Hawaii Islands chain…..where the next “day” begins at the International Date Line….and 180* opposite the Greenwich Mean Time Longitude (which runs through Greenwich England)
    When considering the tilt of our planet, readings in the Northern Hemisphere of the suns’ most vertical position “directly overhead” is June 21st (the summer solstice). On this date it’s at the farthest point north of the equator (where it’s directly overhead) and this latitude is called “The Tropic of Cancer”.
    Likewise, “The Tropic of Capricorn” in the Southern Hemisphere denotes the farthest point south of the equator that the sun is measured directly vertical overhead, which happens on Dec. 21, (the winter solstice).
    This 22* tilt of our planet makes these measurements irrefutable because of the extra calculations and cross referencing. This couldn’t be done on a flat plain.
    I hope all the people who actually believe this flat earth nonsense….come to their own senses while they still have time. You have taken a step back into the dark ages. You may want to see the movie “Idiocracy”. to have a peek which direction you’ve headed.
    Dumb, dumb, and dumber.

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  29. Me November 28, 2017 at 5:14 am Reply

    How do you then explain how when someone circumnavigates the globe going in the same direction, they can end up where they started? For your information, I did it! We started in California and sailed west to Hawaii then to Japan. From there we went down the Pacific to Australia, into the Indian ocean up to the horn of Africa then back to South Africa, crossed the Atlantic to Brazil and then went north to the Panama Canal and then back up the West Coast of Mexico to San Diego and got off of the boat at the EXACT same pier I boadred on.


    • Happy Birthday December 3, 2017 at 6:26 pm Reply

      Me. Let me play devil’s advocate. You sailed in a circle. That’s exactly what you’ll hear. No explanation about using a compass that will make sense.


  30. veeronic January 1, 2018 at 10:13 pm Reply

    yet this phenomenon doesn’t affect clouds? air planes? stars? mountains? boats? the ocean? am I supposed to believe in selective light physics that only affect the sun?
    (please do not bastardize that)

    even if the sun were a spot light it would NEVER look this way, we would see it flatten and disappear in the sky, but it doesn’t, it goes under the horizon and there is absolutely no arbitrary distance from the sun you can think of to make this work. Light only travels in straight lines.


  31. veeratos January 1, 2018 at 10:23 pm Reply

    yet this phenomenon doesn’t affect clouds? planes? stars? mountains? boats? the ocean? Am I supposed to believe in selective physics that only affect the sun? (do not bastardize that)

    Light moves in straight lines, if the sun were a spotlight we would see it flatten and disappear into the sky. There is absolutely no distance that any of this works.


  32. Philip January 8, 2018 at 12:51 am Reply

    I’m sure this has been mentioned, but If you the camera angle were level with the top of the desk, then you would find that the coin maintains its full shape. Your example in the coin proves more towards a sphere as opposed to a flat earth.


  33. Ian - howmuchtimeisleft January 8, 2018 at 3:20 am Reply

    Your example of the coin on the flat surface of your furniture, does not equate to a disc some thousands of miles above the earth’s surface.
    By using the coin example you are implying that the sun is touching the earth’s surface, which is a contradiction to your ealier position of the sun being 3,000 miles in the atmosphere.


  34. Matt February 5, 2018 at 3:36 am Reply

    The logic in this video is flawed. In the coin/table scenario, the vantage point of the camera is BELOW the surface of the table. That is why the coin is going to appear to get cut in half as it recedes. However, if the camera was raised so that we could see the top of the table, the coin would never ever ever get cut in half. It would get smaller and smaller, but would never disappear.
    Now blow that experiment up to a large scale. If I am standing on the beach as the sun sets, my point of view is above the horizon, not below it like in the video. Therefore, if the water and earth are flat, I should ALWAYS be able to see the sun as it moves away, because the sun will ALWAYS be above the horizon. It would get smaller and smaller, but would never disappear.
    Instead, the sun is cut in half, then disappears. It never gets smaller, as you would expect if it was moving farther and farther away from you.

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    • Happy Birthday February 7, 2018 at 6:20 pm Reply

      You’re right. I want to see a rebuttal to this. Enjoy the debate as long as conversation stays on topic and all sides work to understand the other’s argument.
      Wonder about the spaceX video and photo of the roadster and blue earth in the background.


  35. Robert Post February 12, 2018 at 8:52 am Reply

    Is there any video from the car exiting the falcon heavy? I think I’ve only seen an animation of how the car was to be released, or shots after the exit. Otherwise I’m sceptical as to whether the car is in space.

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    • rito February 23, 2018 at 10:10 am Reply

      I’m sceptical if you have an actual brain in your skull.


  36. ivo February 22, 2018 at 10:47 pm Reply

    This is idiotic. First of all, sun is the same size when overhead and during sunset/sunrise while it should be smaller the closer it is to horizon by your theory. Second, it would mean it would slow down as it sets and it in fact moves the same speed whole day.

    Stop feeding your ego with this elitist thinking bullshit where you deny all science cause it’s hard and come live in a real world.


  37. howmuchtimeisleft February 26, 2018 at 2:33 am Reply

    If the sun only appears to set at ‘night’, then what about the growing darkness (absence of sunlight)? Is the darkness also only apparent and not real?
    I have been aware for at least 20,000 nights that the night is not just in appearance but real. There is a very real absence of sunlight for the duiationr of each night and that the nights length of ‘darkness’ – blackness, varies because there is a variation of about two minutes (I think that is about the time difference) each night from the previous night until six months have passsed and then it reverses that process for the next six months. This is brought about by movement of the earth and the sun in their relationship to each other.

    There is a very real and tangible absence of sunlight during the depth of night, because th sun is no longer visible in that part of the world for a time. And there is also a very real absence of ‘darkness’ during the day – because the sun actually appears in the morning sky – the eastern sky in reality not just in ‘appearance’ . This is a fixed law that is beyond the control of man.

    I know that when I move into the sunlight on a hot summers’s day I get hot quickly, and when I move into the light from the sun during winter time, I can warm up slowly, because the intensity of the heat also varies between seasons.

    These are things that I have tested by my own observation and discenment – a form of scientific method. These things are not just in appearance but real tangible undeniable experiences, and they are common to all of us..

    When the sun’s light disappears in reality each night, it diappears from my view and it disappears from my part of the world. This is a common same time experinece for all those living within my geographical area. It is not just a matter of perspective but reality.
    These realities are to me evidence at the very least of a rotating earth, and not a stationary earth, and lend weight to the idea of a spherical earth and not a flat earth.

    Then there is this issue of heat from the sun. The variation and intensity heat from the sun upon the earth, during the day, and during the summer is very dsitinct from the night and from the winter periods. The flat earth model does not give me any satifactory answer to these realities.
    The light from the sun is quite distinct in intensity but also in effect to light from the moon. There is no heat (none that I can observe) from the moon. It is quite safe to look at eh light from the moon, but it is not safe or wises to look directly at the light from the sun with the naked eye. This also lends weight to the idea that the moon has no lihgt of its own, only reflected light from the sun.

    But personally – it makes no difference to me what shapethe earth is. it is what it is. All this physical world – universe did not happen by accident or chance. Anythiing that happens by accident is usually less acceptable to something that happens by wise design and good purpose and work. That is an observable fact.

    And I thank God for making it as it is, by His wisdom and understanding and power and might. All this physical world did not happen by accident or chance. and that He created me in the womb of my mother.and brought me out into this amazing physical world to give Him glory and praise for it, and I do so unashamedly.

    I also have hope in the resurrection of the just and the unjust.
    This earth is just a temporal home for me. John 14:1-3. In that happy place there is no sun or moon, no darkness, no cold, no more deception, no more failures, no more hunger or thirst, pain or death. In my Father;s house there is perfect rest for spirit, soul and resurrrected body.
    Make sure you are there. – John 14:1-6


  38. Q-ball March 7, 2018 at 5:26 pm Reply

    I would very much like to hear your explanation of how the sun in Alaska behaves as it does, but is different for everyone else in the world. In the summer in Fairbanks, the sun simply does not set, ever. However, in winter solstice, we have only 3 hours of sunlight. In barrow at the height of winter, they don’t see the sun for nearly 65 days. In every flat-earth model I’ve seen, there as been no accounting for this. I guess flat earth theory is just for those living closer to the equator.


    • Happy Birthday March 7, 2018 at 6:25 pm Reply

      Q ball, I want to know why that is, too. Any dedicated flat earthers out there care to explain the sun question in Alaska? We’d all appreciate it.


  39. Meddyg July 18, 2018 at 2:02 pm Reply

    How does the perspective theory explain the clearly semi-circular moon (and sun) seen when either of these bodies ‘rise’ or ‘set’? (using globalist terminology, obviously)? If these objects were simply shrinking because they are not actually very big, and moving a few thousand miles away would be enough for them to lose a significant amount of apparent size, they still should look circular. On the other hand, if they were coming in to view/disappearing from view because the global earth was gradually turning towards/away from them (whether moon/sun rise or set), then a semi-circular view of the moon/sun halfway through this process is EXACTLY what you would expect, and which is what happens. Moreover the apparent radius of moon/sun during set/rise does not change, which is what should happen in the flat earth explanation.


  40. Meddyg July 18, 2018 at 2:06 pm Reply

    BTW that trick with the coin is a trick because the camera is below the level of the table – you can’t see the table surface – ie the camera is at a slight angle below, so of course the coin gradually disappears.


  41. Friar Talk @Gab.ai (@RealFriarTalk) August 29, 2018 at 7:50 am Reply

    This is idiocy. The earth is not flat. I have watched the sun go down in front of me from an airplane and then rise behind me during the same long flight, and I have seen it more than once. It definitely goes AROUND the earth.


    • FactYouAll September 4, 2018 at 1:32 am Reply

      Friar Tuck,

      You are “somewhat” close in your explanation; The sun does “appear” to rise and set as you describe. However, the sun doesn’t go around the earth. The everyday terms often used to describe earth-sun relative motion are not necessarily accurate, but may convey a relative sense of what can be seen.

      The basic premise that the sun remains above the earth in some impossible and unexplainable motion pattern is clearly fictitious, and defies all known laws of physics. AFAIK, no one has ever explained any portion of this motion, or even tried to list the supposed aspects in any clear detail.



      • worldpoop September 6, 2018 at 3:25 am

        Pythagoras proved with geometry the earth was round in 500BC. Aristotle in 350BC proved it by plotting constellation movements. Eratosthenes was the first to calculate a circumference for the earth in 300BC. That’s the beginning. Newton described the gravitational laws. Einstein’s relativity afforded a precision that factors into the moon landings… oh right, the moon landings were faked on TV.


  42. Erik Deriso October 26, 2018 at 3:09 pm Reply

    Alongside perspective on a flat plane, atmospheric refraction plays a huge part in how we see a sunrise or set. Water and other materials in the atmosphere bends light in two ways, first, an apparent magnification of the sun as it moves away, and an apparent drop. These are both demonstrable properties of water, as well as it’s flatness and level. The earth is flat.


  43. Chronic December 18, 2018 at 4:29 pm Reply

    The law of perspective would also mean that as the sun travels away it would look like an ellipse. Why is the flat sun always a circle even when it is on the horizon? It should get thinner as it gets farther from my view if it is parallel to the flat plane I’m on. And it is in a separate flat plane.


  44. fred January 27, 2019 at 2:32 am Reply

    Simple shadow and sticks experiment will prove that the motion of the sun on a flat earth model does not show a circular pattern.
    You people are simply idiots.


  45. apollo11 February 2, 2019 at 5:18 am Reply

    worldpoop: You had me almost there until your last line. The moon landings were indeed faked on TV and if you really believe they landed on the moon in 1969, then you have provided me with justification to continue on questing the Heliocentric Model.


    • Steviant March 3, 2019 at 11:08 pm Reply

      apollo11, so you’re using one moronic and easily disproven conspiracy as proof of another moronic and easily disproven conspiracy.

      You get points for consistency at least.


  46. joel schlecht April 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Ok, I hate to spoil peoples illusions but the material here shows that what you are observing is not consistent with the flat earth model. If you know what to look for. The perspective explanation is correct in that the further something is away, the smaller it appears. So, here is what to look for. The size of the sun in the sky always appears to be constant. As the sun moves further away in order to look like it is sinking, it should also shrink in size at the same time. In the flat earth model – When overhead, the sun is only 3000 miles away. later in the day, when the sun is 6000 miles away, it should look half the size and when it is 12000 miles away it should be a quarter of the size or one sixteenth the area. That should be easily noticeable by anyone. Since I don’t recommend anyone looking at the sun, the same is true with the moon since the claim is that the moon is the same size as the sun. The other visual oddity that is inconsistent with the sun and moon is that at the time of setting, if you have a clear view such as on a farm or over water, is that the circle of the sun or moon is cut off by the horizon, I don’t have a problem with it looking lower but, this model will not cut the circle in half. Since the sun is only opposed to be 30 miles wide, a difference of only 15 miles will not cause the complete disappearance of the other side, ESPECIALLY one that is as stark as we see, half there – half not. the flat earth movement claims that you should use your own senses for proof. Well, here is something to look for that disproves it. No conspiracy theory possible here. If they have to come up with something really outlandish to explain this rather than the simple explanation of the earth is round, then you know that the motives are not just to find the truth. I saw an interview with a flat earther and when pressed, he said that his ultimate reason for believing in this is that the round earth model made him feel not special and that the flat earth being special and everything revolving around us makes him feel more important to the Universe and God. To you older people out there, remember that for the younger generations its about how you feel these days and no amount of silly things like facts are supposed to get in the way of those feelings. I’m just waiting for them to start passing flat earth laws. If you start talking science and facts all you haters are invading their safe space and need to be delt with by the law. So, just shake your head and worry about the future of humanity. Because, there is nothing you can do for these people. I am not a religion pusher but it seems as the world becomes more secular, people are looking to find something that will fill the space in their lives that religion would otherwise fill. This may be extreme sexual identity politics or anti religion movements or communism or the flat earth. Strange we all have that need to fill our lives with something at that level. Anyway, that’s why you will never convince these people with facts or explanations. They don’t want that. Ok, go to my website for my own weird stuff.


  47. Satan's_flat_world October 30, 2019 at 9:45 am Reply

    This flat earth stuff is a huge psyop to get you to question everything you think you know about the world you live in. The many explanations for how everything that you see that leads you to believe you are on a spherical planet orbiting a sun are actually wrong are beyond comprehension. This is not because they involve complex advanced theories which most of us cannot understand, but because there are no believable explanations that support a flat earth based on our observations. This is a discussion which tracks so far off into the grotesquely absurd that it makes one wonder if these flat-earthers didn’t live in some other world and then were brought here. Here’s the secret they don’t want you to know, they believe the earth is a sphere. They DO NOT believe any of what they are telling you. So why do they do this? To fuck with your mind. It’s really very evil what they are doing. Extremely evil!


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