Start Here

~ Comments, submissions and constructive critiques all welcome as long as it is civil. 

This site asks many more questions than it answers. Common sense and our own eyes tell our brains that the Sun and Moon move across our horizons each and every day and that the Earth is a plane, as seen from standing on any beach in the world and looking out over the ocean as well as from an airplane.

Common Sense and reason tell us the Earth is stationary and not rotating on her axis at and incredible 1,000 mph as well as orbiting around the Sun at some 1,000 mp/second traveling some 533 million miles each and every year while our Solar System is then traveling around the Milky Way at over 500,000 mph, as science claims it is.

Why would “they” perpetuate such a massive lie for so long?

Literally to keep our individual powers in check in that we are the center of the universe and all have the Kingdom of God within.

As Above, So Below.

200 Proofs Earth NOT a Globe


The Flammarion (1888). The image depicts a man crawling under the edge of the sky, depicted as if it were a solid hemisphere and plane earth, to look at the mysterious Empyrean beyond. The caption translates to “A medieval missionary tells that he has found the point where heaven and Earth meet…”

Since the end of the Dark Ages and the beginning of the Scientific Revolution, around the mid-1500’s, the world has been told, and believed, the Earth to be a globe.

The spheroid called Earth, spinning in a complete circle every 24 hours on it’s tilted access traveling at some 1,000 mph while yearly circumnavigating the Sun in one year traveling an additional 68,000 mph, or 1,000 mile per/second.

We are told by astronomy phycisists that our Sun Solar System travels around our Milky Way Galaxy at over 500,000 mph, while we are glued to Earth through gravity in a atmospheric cocoon that keeps all motion in sync with a rapidly spinning ball that we all live upon.

Yet the 500 year old story of a heliocentric solar system vs. the 3500 year story of a flat plane geocentric Earth began when the Vatican held all knowledge and book publishing just began so the masses could educate themselves in the 15th and 16th centuries.

From Copernicus to Galileo to Newton to Kepler, all validated “proven” science came from the Royal Society of London.

Starting with the Industrial Devolution , at the beginning of the 20th century, all school text books and teacher accreditation’s were founded and funded by Robber Baron’s, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Ford et. al (Source)

After WWII, with the critical assistance of the Vatican “ratline” passports, the United States brought Nazi Rocketeer “Wunderkind”, Werhner Von Braun, into the country through Operation Paperclip.

Von Braun ran NASA’s Saturn rocket program for 25 years.  All feeds that came from the Moon on the alleged first Man on the Moon transmission came from one feed at NASA where all TV broadcasters had to copy from.

Since the 1960’s, when we entered the “space race” against our alleged arch enemy, Russia, during the cold war, NASA has provided us the narrative of our physical Earth, with every single picture and every single story, about what we have learned from the Cosmos through telescopes and space exploration.

“Maintain a lie or secret for one generation and the next generartion becomes easy pickings, particularly if the lie is echoed in school textbooks, TV cartoons, The History and Discovery Channels. Confuse one generation and the next will happily ingest the media gruel prepared for them.”     ~ Elana Freeland

Since the 1800’s, very few have challenged the Heliocentric theory because it is “settled science”.

Until now.

Our most basic cultural identities, of a global earth traveling around a central star, traveling around a galaxy amongst billions and billions of other galaxies, too far away to fathom, with their own planets and solar systems in the universe, is accepted common knowledge to all.

Yet, If one simply observes for themselves, without prejudice or belief, he/she would see a Sun and Moon traveling across the sky each day along a prescribed path from East to West.

We see the size of the Sun and Moon being relatively the same.

We feel no motion of an Earth traveling at 1,000 mph each and every day around a Sun traveling at 1,000 miles/second and over 500,000 mph around the Milky Way galaxy.

And no matter how high in a plane we are, we never see the curvature of the Earth, only a flat, level plane.

Only from NASA and Google Earth do we see any curvature, yet simple physics tells us we should.

The ancients called it a “Sunrise” and “Sunset” and we use that same language today, though we are told that these terms are incorrect in basic astronomical physics. No English teacher of proper usage of grammar, or any physicist, ever corrects this erroneous description of our “settled” knowledge as to the physics of a heliocentric Earth.

For over 3500 years many cultures including the ancient Summerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Vedic Indians, Chinese and original Native Americans believed the earth to the center of all things in the Universe.

Additionally, the Bible is filled with references of a flat earth and firmament above in a closed system.

Once a generation is indoctrinated to a way of thinking, it is very easy for following generations to admit as fact what was once considered nonsensical.

If long term powers that be wanted to control world knowledge, to make the every man, women and child think and feel insignificant, and not hold the thought of a “Kingdom of God Within”, you would tell him he is only a very, very, very small part of a much bigger whole that he cannot possible comprehend or understand.

As Above, So Below

Alice goes down the rabbit hole.

This blog is an attempt to bring to those open-minded enough material to consider the possibility that we have been brainwashed completely and successfully for some 500 years!

The site is explore, question, inform and solve hidden truths about whether we are a plane or a planet, whether the Moon and Sun move across our skies as it appears, or that what we see is not really what is happening “out there” but we hold our own Sun, Moon and stars within each of us.

So let’s go chase some rabbits down the hole with open minds and insatiable curiosity for truth and higher consciousness …..

271 thoughts on “Start Here

  1. Craig G August 7, 2019 at 9:35 am Reply

    Due. Just trying to figure things out and last vid i watched was about the trolls and plants in the fe movement. Is it only that they dont mention jesuits or is what they are saying about fe wrong. I got interested in fe after listening to the other side of the argument. I do that on most subjects. You have to hear both sides before having any idea on what is right/wrong. Sooo…is the earth flat as far as we know or have we all been played. Skiba says read the bible as is, and it points to fe teachings. So is he ( and the others ) speaking what can be proven or again, are we being played. Thanks for listening people.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Geese January 27, 2020 at 11:43 pm Reply

      Documentary from scientists at Dakila Pesquisas after a 7year research


  2. Craig G August 7, 2019 at 9:37 am Reply

    Sorry people, i meant dudes not due.

    Liked by 1 person

  3. yogi August 23, 2019 at 2:04 am Reply

    HELLO Jamie Lee, Please check out this very interesting video from twitter. DEW caught on video??? your opinion counts on this matter! thank you in advance.


  4. AlwaysInvestigating September 30, 2019 at 5:52 pm Reply

    Would someone please tell me what happened to the YouTube account, and how we can still view the videos?


  5. DonQuijotte September 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm Reply

    Nice blog site. Thanks!!!


  6. thetruthnotdoctrine October 15, 2019 at 2:07 pm Reply
    • Charles C. Miller February 28, 2020 at 9:38 am Reply

      Are you and your associates ready to recognize that solutions possibilities are stillborn when the major portion of energies is fixated on the problems created by corruption selling confusion?
      If interested in a dialogue concerning real, effective resolutions to some root problems, we are interested. Email welcome to open dialogue. Check RUMORMILLNEWS, reader Charles in the last few days.
      I was where you are at in what you call the truther movement 25+ years ago, having information beyond what is considered cutting edge today. Please remember fax machines were new tech then. That means massive amounts of time was spent in the books at many archives and well stocked libraries. Books and written forums are very difficult to manage in relation to digital perversions.
      There are laws all the corporations and their agents are subject to and the survival of the control masters depend on them. Two dependencies, one to stay operating the other to confuse. One set explains it all. Think surety and guarantor in relation to agent.

      Liked by 1 person

      • thetruthnotdoctrine September 2, 2020 at 8:01 pm

        My only associates are the Godhead and my wife.

        “Think surety and guarantor in relation to agent.”

        Been there, worn all the T-shirts and lost. De-facto ‘courts’ make up the ‘laws’ on the hoof – like playing football when the other side owns the ball, the pitch, the ref and the moving goal posts. Now I have nothing to lose I have never been stronger. Best of luck with whatever you’re doing.


      • thetruthnotdoctrine September 2, 2020 at 8:04 pm

        PS I have only just received your reply hence the delay in replying.


  7. david perras October 17, 2019 at 2:13 am Reply

    i check back here every so often to see if Jamie has done anything to follow his work. I’d follow him here on his website if he updated it. please come back jamie!


  8. Me October 25, 2019 at 11:57 pm Reply last year proof of dew


  9. Me October 25, 2019 at 11:59 pm Reply Fox fire camera. Sorry for not leaving my name.


  10. Cifon Hons December 23, 2019 at 3:41 am Reply


    I think something is up with the Paradise water after the fire. The State, The Feds, PID-Paradise Irrigation, Del Oro water district in Paradise and Purdue University who was called in to help, all say something different. Andrew Whelton from Purdue has documented and written about the State testing our water on their employees , unbeknownst to them. They all became acutely ill. Also our Gov states that our contaminated water isn’t his interest or priority. Might find something interesting going on here


  11. Cifon Hons December 23, 2019 at 3:48 am Reply

    Any thoughts on the FEMA camp that went up on the Skyway going into Paradise? After the PGE camp came down, they build tons of lil Trailor housing with lights, ramps etc. The cover story is it was built for all the workers after the PGE camp was taken down at that sight but that’s hardly the case. Very few Paradise construction works have inhabited this huge, highly developed facility. Rumor is, it’s for sale? What the heck is the Real plan for it? Don’t think anybody is emotionally stable enough to hear the truth.


  12. Cifon Hons December 23, 2019 at 4:01 am Reply

    Best to be following what’s going on with the insurance company’s and how they’re treating the policy holders after the Ca fires. This isn’t a Paradise Campfire issue , anyone who owned a home is vulnerable. Although many people have had a positive experience with their insurance company, it’s a Bloodbath for Hundreds!!!

    Contact the non profit company, United Policy Holders. They have hosted 14 workshops, each with a separate purpose lasting around 3 – 3 1/2 hrs a piece. The mere fact , you have to attend such extensive learning, to equip yourself , against a service You Pay For, tells you there’s a Huge problem.

    The State Insurance Commissioner has been caught taking money under the table from the insurance companies. Google it!!! And!!! He still holds his job! Therefore, all these insurance companies aren’t being held responsible for illegal, dishonest practices costing enormous financial loss. Mafia!!!


  13. Cifon Hons December 23, 2019 at 4:08 am Reply

    Are you noticing all the stack um and pack um building going on in Miriam Park in Chico Ca? It’s been in the works for around ten years. Unbeknownst to me, I was having a conversation with one of the developers from the beginning. I said to him, WOW, I can’t comprehend the need for that much housing in Chico. His off the cuff comment was, well, if San Fransisco experiences it’s Big earthquake, the people will need a place to go….


  14. Santhalingam Swaminathan January 5, 2020 at 9:54 am Reply

    I have a question… How does heat increase as we dig deeper and deeper below the surface? And what does the earth look like from below?


  15. Anon January 12, 2020 at 11:02 pm Reply

    Simpsons use DEW in first scene blaming it on ozone hole.


  16. Douglas Olson March 15, 2020 at 2:33 pm Reply

    What if the Tarterian empire vanished because of the free energy ? Thanks brother you got a set of balls love the info


  17. rick and cheryl smrcina April 1, 2020 at 12:19 am Reply

    jamie, please consider:
    a way of getting around u bube for me is to go to your website, where you have audio files available for download to my android phone where i can pick up the file with a music player app (amazon music). this takes me around the u tube dominator, i can play the audio file in my car, at my own leasure, and without wifi. i have seen mcalvany even do something similar with a podcaster app button which does the download automatically.
    thanks for all you do, long time fan


  18. Rick Emmerson April 8, 2020 at 7:47 pm Reply

    I’m trying to contact you. I’ve been a student of Steiner for years. Have some stuff I’d like to send you. Please send me your email address.
    Rick Emmerson


  19. Onanias Runkholmen May 8, 2020 at 9:58 pm Reply

    Bullshit 🙀👺💩


  20. Andrew May 24, 2020 at 10:12 pm Reply

    How do we unite against Covid 19 Lock Down? You have the Lee Dundas Speech at the Capitol but no contact info? We need to organize across California at least. Everyone is wearing mask and gloves, it is pathetic.


  21. Daddy June 29, 2020 at 10:58 pm Reply

    I noticed you got axed by YouTube today. Where else can I find the videos? Seems like everything here is linked to YouTube


  22. Cory Kallhoff September 6, 2020 at 4:54 am Reply

    When is the full book scheduled to be released?


  23. Mike Stith December 20, 2020 at 3:03 pm Reply

    Is Jamie. still posting anywhere? Having a hard time finding his channels


  24. Debbie Murphy December 25, 2020 at 3:06 am Reply

    Hi, How can I contact Jami Lee? I have a gift for him, but don’t use Facebook or social media. Can’t find an email address to reach him. Thanks, Debbie


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