Start Here

~ Comments, submissions and constructive critiques all welcome as long as it is civil. 

This site asks many more questions than it answers. Common sense and our own eyes tell our brains that the Sun and Moon move across our horizons each and every day and that the Earth is a plane, as seen from standing on any beach in the world and looking out over the ocean as well as from an airplane.

Common Sense and reason tell us the Earth is stationary and not rotating on her axis at and incredible 1,000 mph as well as orbiting around the Sun at some 1,000 mp/second traveling some 533 million miles each and every year while our Solar System is then traveling around the Milky Way at over 500,000 mph, as science claims it is.

Why would “they” perpetuate such a massive lie for so long?

Literally to keep our individual powers in check in that we are the center of the universe and all have the Kingdom of God within.

As Above, So Below.

200 Proofs Earth NOT a Globe


The Flammarion (1888). The image depicts a man crawling under the edge of the sky, depicted as if it were a solid hemisphere and plane earth, to look at the mysterious Empyrean beyond. The caption translates to “A medieval missionary tells that he has found the point where heaven and Earth meet…”

Since the end of the Dark Ages and the beginning of the Scientific Revolution, around the mid-1500’s, the world has been told, and believed, the Earth to be a globe.

The spheroid called Earth, spinning in a complete circle every 24 hours on it’s tilted access traveling at some 1,000 mph while yearly circumnavigating the Sun in one year traveling an additional 68,000 mph, or 1,000 mile per/second.

We are told by astronomy phycisists that our Sun Solar System travels around our Milky Way Galaxy at over 500,000 mph, while we are glued to Earth through gravity in a atmospheric cocoon that keeps all motion in sync with a rapidly spinning ball that we all live upon.

Yet the 500 year old story of a heliocentric solar system vs. the 3500 year story of a flat plane geocentric Earth began when the Vatican held all knowledge and book publishing just began so the masses could educate themselves in the 15th and 16th centuries.

From Copernicus to Galileo to Newton to Kepler, all validated “proven” science came from the Royal Society of London.

Starting with the Industrial Devolution , at the beginning of the 20th century, all school text books and teacher accreditation’s were founded and funded by Robber Baron’s, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Ford et. al (Source)

After WWII, with the critical assistance of the Vatican “ratline” passports, the United States brought Nazi Rocketeer “Wunderkind”, Werhner Von Braun, into the country through Operation Paperclip.

Von Braun ran NASA’s Saturn rocket program for 25 years.  All feeds that came from the Moon on the alleged first Man on the Moon transmission came from one feed at NASA where all TV broadcasters had to copy from.

Since the 1960’s, when we entered the “space race” against our alleged arch enemy, Russia, during the cold war, NASA has provided us the narrative of our physical Earth, with every single picture and every single story, about what we have learned from the Cosmos through telescopes and space exploration.

“Maintain a lie or secret for one generation and the next generartion becomes easy pickings, particularly if the lie is echoed in school textbooks, TV cartoons, The History and Discovery Channels. Confuse one generation and the next will happily ingest the media gruel prepared for them.”     ~ Elana Freeland

Since the 1800’s, very few have challenged the Heliocentric theory because it is “settled science”.

Until now.

Our most basic cultural identities, of a global earth traveling around a central star, traveling around a galaxy amongst billions and billions of other galaxies, too far away to fathom, with their own planets and solar systems in the universe, is accepted common knowledge to all.

Yet, If one simply observes for themselves, without prejudice or belief, he/she would see a Sun and Moon traveling across the sky each day along a prescribed path from East to West.

We see the size of the Sun and Moon being relatively the same.

We feel no motion of an Earth traveling at 1,000 mph each and every day around a Sun traveling at 1,000 miles/second and over 500,000 mph around the Milky Way galaxy.

And no matter how high in a plane we are, we never see the curvature of the Earth, only a flat, level plane.

Only from NASA and Google Earth do we see any curvature, yet simple physics tells us we should.

The ancients called it a “Sunrise” and “Sunset” and we use that same language today, though we are told that these terms are incorrect in basic astronomical physics. No English teacher of proper usage of grammar, or any physicist, ever corrects this erroneous description of our “settled” knowledge as to the physics of a heliocentric Earth.

For over 3500 years many cultures including the ancient Summerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Vedic Indians, Chinese and original Native Americans believed the earth to the center of all things in the Universe.

Additionally, the Bible is filled with references of a flat earth and firmament above in a closed system.

Once a generation is indoctrinated to a way of thinking, it is very easy for following generations to admit as fact what was once considered nonsensical.

If long term powers that be wanted to control world knowledge, to make the every man, women and child think and feel insignificant, and not hold the thought of a “Kingdom of God Within”, you would tell him he is only a very, very, very small part of a much bigger whole that he cannot possible comprehend or understand.

As Above, So Below

Alice goes down the rabbit hole.

This blog is an attempt to bring to those open-minded enough material to consider the possibility that we have been brainwashed completely and successfully for some 500 years!

The site is explore, question, inform and solve hidden truths about whether we are a plane or a planet, whether the Moon and Sun move across our skies as it appears, or that what we see is not really what is happening “out there” but we hold our own Sun, Moon and stars within each of us.

So let’s go chase some rabbits down the hole with open minds and insatiable curiosity for truth and higher consciousness …..

181 thoughts on “Start Here

  1. HappyBirthday November 27, 2016 at 9:30 pm Reply

    What do you think about this site with live coverage of the earth from very high up?


    • BurntToast December 24, 2016 at 6:49 pm Reply

      HB – that is a wonderful site; thanks for sharing this link. I’m going to have to check back from time-to-time for different portions of earth as the orbit shifts.


  2. watsun Atkinsun December 12, 2016 at 4:17 pm Reply

    Jamie Lee,
    Forgive me, for I could not find an email link to send you a formal letter, so I’m going to include it here. I’ve been following your work since the spring of 2015 and consider your FE videos and your amazing website some of the best material out there by far. I have been deeply entrenched in the FE conversation since first discovering this paradigm shattering narrative, and have been involved in the truth movement for about 8 intense years now. I just listened to your two interviews on the Jesuits and the FE awakening via the astounding show Sage of Quay (Mike Williams rules!) and they are both by far some of the best documents of the season that I’ve been sharing with everyone. I was thrilled to hear that you are writing a book that will be published very soon, and I urgently wanted to offer you my artistic contributions. I am a life time artist and have done a number of FE inspired art work that I would like to offer to be included in your book. If you recall from last summer via the IFERS forum, I was the elusive artist that designed and gifted to Eric and IFERS the United Nations inspired New FE Map logo that Eric has available as Tshirts, etc. Also I would like to offer any art work ideas that you may need illustrations for to include in this book and future projects – diagrams, maps, memes, text, etc. I would be honored to work with you and offer my artistic talents pro-bono for this crushingly important and pressing book that you are getting ready to launch. Please look at my website in the Art Gallery and Video Gallery links and you will be able to see the art work that I have done already. I have also uploaded a video that can be viewed on the site or can be seen on my youtube channel under “Watsun Atkinsun – Flat Earth Art’. to illustrate my conviction as a kindred spirit, i have been interviewed this year on FreemanTV, Good Vibrations, and the Secrets of Saturn podcast shows. If you are interested please contact via email ASAP and I can send you large files of at least a half dozen art files of interest, and can get busy on any and all drawing ideas you need for the book before it is finalized. Again, I am offering this all for free, for the love of truth, of wisdom, and freedom, and for the spiritual, political, and philosophical resistance that we are fearlessly apart of. I hope I’m not to late to to contribute to this exciting project.

    Sincerely, Watsun
    Portland, Maine
    Primal Plane

    P.S. Any other Truth seekers who resonate with this letter and the FE Revolution at large, send me an email and we can connect and converse.

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    • madmanwbluebox December 12, 2016 at 7:16 pm Reply

      in order to have a flat earth “idea” it must 1) be able to stand on its own merits 2) be a viable model in accordance with the laws of physics, math, thermodynamics, astronomy, fluid mechanics etc to name a few 2a) alternatively you must present contrary viable laws of physics etc, none of these 3 things have ever been put forward by any flat earther since it’s inception. this is why people laugh at you all. the movement of the FE sun defies laws of motion and conservation of energy, 2 laws that have never been wrong and 2 laws that everything we know functions in accordance with


      • BurntToast December 13, 2016 at 5:23 am

        There is also a need for the ability to support predictions that follow from the idea.

        From what I see and read of an FE model, it is possible that the sun’s movement in the sky is from chariots carrying the sun in its described path (which I guess is better than no mechanism at all).


      • RAJ September 22, 2017 at 8:00 pm

        Any sense of “Globular-ism” defies the laws of Physics and Centrifugel Force and Gravity, Earth is Fixed and Motionleess. PAL


      • FactYouAll September 25, 2017 at 7:54 pm


        It could be a good idea to begin listing all these laws you claim are being defied.

        It just might take a while. 🙂


    • Stevenjestadt July 14, 2017 at 5:07 pm Reply

      Liked your article


  3. Francesca December 17, 2016 at 3:21 am Reply

    I’m trying to find and conventions of gatherings in my area, but having trouble finding any. I live near Boston. Would love to get involved. Can anyone point me in the right direction?


    • madmanwbluebox December 17, 2016 at 4:59 pm Reply

      there’s an asylum for the insane I’m sure in the Boston area I would look for flat earth believers there first


    • Justin Gargano (@acrinym) March 26, 2017 at 1:14 am Reply A conference in Raleigh NC, Nov 9-10


    • Dreamer March 4, 2018 at 4:40 pm Reply

      Any FE-ers in Asia? Specifically, Malaysia lol

      A person with name madman, at the same time claiming he’s actually the sane one among us? Yeah, I’m sure most of the ppl in the asylum mentioned located in Boston think they’re all pretty sane too lol

      I’m actually a GE-er and I’m new to the FE theory but i like the idea so please don’t ruin it for me. I once watched an FE debunk (BY ACCIDENT!!!) and it smacked me straight back to the boring round ball 😑

      We all have the freedom to choose our beliefs and religions. It’s the same thing here. I self converted from Buddhist to Christian to Scientology to being an agnostic and it might not just end there yet lol.


  4. ansel61 December 23, 2016 at 5:34 pm Reply

    I have to agree with those who think the FE hypothesis is flawed. It’s an interesting idea and a great exercise in critical thinking proving it wrong but it’s not difficult to do so. Many reading the FE arguments will have enough knowledge to see the many FE problems and for those points that leave you scratching your head just google the issue and you’ll find there is always an explanation. Of course, this won’t have any impact on true flat earthers who will just say you’ve been brainwashed by science and scientists but this accusation is now wearing thin to say the least.

    The publisher of this website, from what I can see, is a Christian. I have the greatest respect for Christianity but it’s faith-based rather than evidence-based (unless you accept the bible as “proof”). It’s my opinion that the publisher is approaching the flat earth hypothesis in the same faith-based manner. I hope this doesn’t come across as anti-Christian as that’s definitely not the point. If I could manage the leap of faith then I’d be a Christian too. Sometimes I wish I could but it’s just not for me. Best wishes and a Merry Christmas to everyone.


    • HappyBirthday December 24, 2016 at 7:06 pm Reply

      Ansel61, I appreciate your thoughtful feedback. I too have found holes in the flat earth arguments. But I am baffled by the growing number of FE videos and articles by seemingly educated people.
      How do you explain this?
      Merry Christmas to you too!


      • madmanwbluebox December 24, 2016 at 7:27 pm

        I have yet to see a single YouTube, IG, tweeter about believing in Flat earth by anyone with an education. while it’s claimed that professional pilots or military pilots claim it’s flat I’ve never seen one that wasn’t “anonymous”. they fly “nautical miles” btw (research nautical miles). e.g. so called FE scientist Brian Mullen? he couldn’t even do a simple F=MxA calculation correctly. ditto for youtuber “Doctor Zak”. they make basic fundamental mistakes. it’s literally the belief of scientific illiterate people who have little common sense and are incapable of logical thinking


    • gkenne February 20, 2018 at 3:03 pm Reply

      Interesting that you say that, because in all of five hundred years, you cannot find one single shred of actual physical proof that the Earth is spherical or in motion. Just because a theory is put forth, then all the math and other theories are piled on top of the false premise, still doesn’t make it true.


      • EvidencePlease February 25, 2018 at 6:43 pm


        What criteria would be acceptable as evidence of either a round or flat earth? If we can agree what we would accept, then it becomes a matter of submitting examples that address specific open questions.

        For example:
        we can all see, and hopefully agree, what is visible as the sun disappears daily.

        Simplistically, and in hopefully neutral terms, I could describe this as a circular visual image of the sun, where portions of the image disappear from sight at the horizon, The part that disappears is the “bottom” of the image, and is distinguished as the lower portion of the sun being obscured from sight “below” a straight-line boundary. The visible portion undergoes a change similar to that of a dinner plate dropping below a tabletop, as viewed from across the table level with the tabletop itself.

        When about half of the image is no longer visible, the shape we still see is a semi-circle, with the flat edge down and the curved edge up. As this further progresses, the visible semicircle portion contains to disappear, At the very end of visibility, the straight-line at the bottom only has a small bright area above it, with the top of the image having a shape of a small portion of a circle. And then the image disappears completely.

        The light of the sun continues after the image is no longer visible, diminishing steadily into darkness typically lasting about 30 minutes (or so), until the sky has basically become dark.

        So, if this is a fair example, is there any evidence to support how this could occur for either of these earth shape models?

        PLease provide any reasonable additional examples of other common experiences (besides sunset) that also could be used to gather evidence on how the earth works.

        Evidence is the common ground in the attempt to find out the way things are.



    • Lorraine Kelly June 13, 2018 at 12:55 pm Reply

      Faith is not wishful thinking and one should not put their faith is something unless proven to be true with two or more witnesses. Here is Zen Garcia who is “educated” as stated.


  5. ansel61 December 25, 2016 at 9:44 am Reply

    That might well be true but I think we have to concentrate on the argument and not who’s making it. You don’t neccessarily need a scientific education to be an original thinker. Give everyone a fair hearing but don’t let them away with anything.


    • madmanwbluebox February 8, 2017 at 6:55 pm Reply

      there is no argument to make though, the FE model is self debunking, 1/2 earth is daylight, 1/2 is nightfall no matter where you place the FE sun (either tropic circle) the distance to the alleged night time 1/2 is closer to the FE sun than distance to daylight 1/2 portion. now let’s try to find the southern pole star, depending on which continent your in, looking SOUTH is 3 different directions, there is no south direction (which is why FE canon is compasses are fake) now any location south of tropic capricorn sees the sun rise and set in the north, contrary to what is observed. now look at moon, if it was 3000 miles high over either tropic people 6000 miles apart on same latitude would see different 1/2, people along the longitude would see different view from people on same latitude, again the model debunks itself, without even getting into how it defies every law of physics, math, thermodynamics etc


  6. Tony February 8, 2017 at 4:56 am Reply

    So everybody’s in on it?? Even people that don’t know their in on it? Maybe your in it and know it, or maybe your in on it and don’t know it… Either way, your in on it… how much can I donate??


  7. doug February 9, 2017 at 12:50 am Reply

    i lost you when you when you said self debunking. the real reason flat earth is wrong–people do and have flown over the south pole–although the last time i was at 32,000 ft i could not see a curvature of the earth,and i did look. now why is that?


    • Rob February 18, 2017 at 11:24 pm Reply

      I have flown down at the South Pole too. You can’t see the curvature simply because you are not high enough. The aspect ratio is way too far apart. Even at low earth orbit (200km) it is slight. When you move further away it becomes more apparent as you see the sphere.


    • madmanwbluebox February 20, 2017 at 11:36 pm Reply

      don’t know why you lost me when I stated the FE model is self debunking? in order to introduce an alternative model, before getting into water and curvature and other unintelligent questions, you must first establish if a flat earth is plausible based on present day science laws. the short answer is no, a flat earth model defies laws of science in addition ro not even representing what is presently observable evidence. you could state well the laws of science are wrong and I would entertain that notion IF planes didn’t fly, or if ships got lost navigating nautical miles, or if electronics didnt work correctly or if any other millions of things that depend on science to work didn’t work. but since everything works correctly I’m 100% sure the laws of science are correct. so before getting into details like seeing a curve etc you 1st must prove an alternative model is viable, and FE fails to do that.


      • Hans February 24, 2017 at 9:35 am

        I am glad that someone invests his time to respond to the FE model nonsense.
        I would like to add one remark:
        I assume that FE model believers use smartphones or other navigation equipment when commuting or travelling by car. This GPS equipment works very precise, but only, because the electronics on board the GPS satellites take into account both (!) einstein special theory of relativity and einstein general theory of relativity, in order to adjust the clocks on board the satellites. If one would ignore these theories the position on the ground would be shown with an error of several miles. But the theorie of relativity is based on current science laws, all in contradicition to FE models or non rotating globe stories.
        By the way, all GPS satellites are launched by rockets, which use the ground speed of the rotating earth to safe fuel. There are no rockets launched westwards…..


      • jwlpeace February 24, 2017 at 3:08 pm

        because…the government told you so…that is what you base your evidence of proof….have more Kool-aid and please do not do any research for yourself, it is a waste of your time….time to move away from do not belong. thanx, the Management.


      • madmanwbluebox February 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm

        obviously management missed the whole point of the comment lmao, aside from anyone with a technical degree does a lot of their own research in laboratories not their mom’s basement or FE YouTube, research? every building, bridge, plane, car, Internet, cellphone, navigation tool, TV, works using the “globe” model science, maxwells equations, gravity constant, Einstein’s relativity, ships and planes navigate using “nautical miles” which accounts for earth’s curvature, they would all get lost if earth was flat, electricity wouldn’t work if earth was flat (research maxwells equations) buildings and bridges would collapse if earth was flat, (e.g. gravity constant wasn’t accurate) electronic devices wouldn’t work, how stupid do you have to be that you cant comprehend the science that proves a FE is not viable is the exact same science that everything on the globe assumes is correct and functions correctly. FE is a cult, nothing more.


  8. HappyBirthday February 24, 2017 at 3:58 pm Reply

    Can anyone who has a firm scientific grasp of flat earth theory explain the new findings? The new dwarf star and the five new planets orbiting it. It’s 39 light years away. It makes no sense to find these planets that must be globes circling a star when there is a claim that our planet is a plane. Is this just fake news?


    • Chikwako March 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm Reply

      Think about this: no proof as to how the heck they found these planets, no photo (or equivalent) of the system. Think about the distance in miles and the show me the instruments they used to find all 7 (not 5) planets. There are no telescopes in existence that can see that far!!! Very simple!!!

      Don’t just take it as true because NASA said it. After the moon landing fiasco I don’t trust anything NASA has to say.

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      • Tom March 18, 2017 at 8:28 pm


        Interesting remarks; I hope you don’t mind if I decipher them to better understand what you are really trying to say. 🙂

        * no proof as to how the heck they found these planets
        –> I haven’t looked for, examined, or tried to understand the evidence for these new planets.

        * no photo (or equivalent) of the system
        –> I haven’t looked for, examined, or tried to understand the visual evidence of the system.

        * Think about the distance in miles
        –> I haven’t looked for, examined, or tried to understand the evidence for the distances described or used for the system.

        * show me the instruments they used to find all 7 (not 5) planets
        –> I haven’t looked for, examined, or tried to understand the evidence about instruments used for objects in the system.

        * There are no telescopes in existence that can see that far!!!
        –> I haven’t looked for, examined, or tried to understand the evidence about telescopes capable of viewing the system.

        * Very simple!!!
        –> I don’t look for, examine, or try to understand any evidence about the things I make personal claims about that I pass off as factual.

        * Don’t just take it as true because NASA said it.
        –> Don’t just take it as true because I said it.

        * After the moon landing fiasco I don’t trust anything NASA has to say.
        –> After the empty claims I’ve made without any evidence, don’t trust anything I have to say.

        Please feel free to refute this interpretation, and offer evidence used to support your remarks. I’d be happy to acknowledge any mistakes I’ve made.


  9. madmanwbluebox February 24, 2017 at 5:19 pm Reply

    yes according to classic FE model it’s fake news, all planets are fake all stars are fake, telescopes are fake, astronomy is fake, nuclear fusion and fission and radiation are fake. they’re fake basically because all of the above easily debunks the flat earth model. you will never see a FE model try to account for the accurate locations of mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter orbiting the sun as its speeding 1000 mph (without a sonic boom) 3000 miles over a flat earth, because the planets would otherwise always be visible and never transit the sun or go retrograde, likewise the FE sun cannot be a nuclear fusion reactor giving off deadly gamma rays and x-rays only 3000 miles above earth because we’d all be dead already. so believers of a FE model claim all of the above are part of the NASA conspiracy to hide God from everyone. and you wonder why people laugh at these imbeciles?

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  10. HappyBirthday February 24, 2017 at 6:20 pm Reply

    I’ve been wondering how the universe can really operate with a flat earth. I have watched and studied numerous FE videos and read many, many of the comments. Unfortunately, I am not a scientist but I am a truth seeker. I wonder if this site is an attempt to discredit rigorous scientific research. We do live in an age of increasing anti intellectualism. But why would anybody go to such lengths to create all those flat earth videos and articles? What’s really behind this? Call me baffled.


  11. madmanwbluebox February 24, 2017 at 7:00 pm Reply

    I have 3 hypothesis, 1) the CIA resurrected this stupid cult to distract and waste time and discredit truth seekers, if you go on any legit truth seeker account and mention FE they chase you off
    2) the world will always have imbeciles who don’t research, or who cannot comprehend basic science and math postulates so FE is easier to believe or 3) religious fanatics / Bible literalist who believe a globe makes God a liar


  12. HappyBirthday February 24, 2017 at 7:21 pm Reply

    Those are some good points. I tend to agree with you. I have also witnessed people on this site who support the globe theory who are asked to stop commenting. Then all of a sudden, they’re nowhere to be found. All their past comments are deleted. Wow so much for a free and intelligent discussion. But then the same thing happens on the other side, as you pointed out. I can see how these sites are set up to provide distraction of the real issues. Or do you think that it’s possible that the CIA brought back flat earth theory to see how gullible people are? Ha! That’s a good one!


  13. madmanwbluebox February 24, 2017 at 8:59 pm Reply

    well look at the consequences, you almost never see professional engineers, architects, scientist posting opposing views on any 9-11 conspiracy pages, YouTube, IG, Twitter. but you find them posting contrary scientific evidence on every FE page. when the focus is redirected to something as stupid as Flat Earth, the social media awareness is misproportionally taken away from more valid endeavors. for example, the gunman in Dallas who shot the cops was executed without trial or without being formally charged by a Drone strike. since when are American citizens just executed by Drone? and it’s happened before in Iraq, or Afghanistan, but people are too busy telling me water seeks it’s level and asking where’s the curve to bother to address our Constitutional rights being infringed upon. at end of day it doesn’t matter if the earth is a globe, you ain’t going to the moon anytime soon, go worry about real possible conspiracies


  14. HappyBirthday February 24, 2017 at 9:46 pm Reply

    Insightful reply. I believe you’re on to something very important. Now watch the administrator of this site tell you that you’re just a paid govt shill and ask you to move on. I’ve seen it before.
    So, yeah, there are many more important things to be concerned about. Like today the White House denied several top news organizations entry to the Daily briefing. Talk about important! It’s the start of a dictatorship.


  15. HappyBirthday March 18, 2017 at 9:01 pm Reply

    Tom. My point exactly.
    So why was I doing their homework for them? I have to stop that bad habit


  16. madmanwbluebox March 18, 2017 at 11:43 pm Reply

    they found planets using telescopes hundreds of years ago, how stupid are you? go buy a telescope or join astronomy club


  17. Rick Rogers March 22, 2017 at 12:27 am Reply

    Very interesting antarctic pheonomena on this site. Especially the part where whales can communicate over 1000 km:


  18. Arnold March 23, 2017 at 9:39 am Reply

    have ever considered to combine flat and round earth. Picture a much much larger planet and flat earth map on one end, the result of electric scaring as in Wallace Thornhil Talbot or Tom Finlay’s electric universe. View our sun and the black sun on the other side as a anode and cathode setup ?


  19. madmanwbluebox March 23, 2017 at 4:26 pm Reply

    why don’t we just picture a place like Pepperland where all things are possible lol what is with this “picture a place” you do experiments, tests, observations they indicate it’s globe orbiting a sun in a galaxy. end of story. there’s nothing else to debate unless you got contrary scientific evidence, not fake YouTube videos and doctored photos. the flat earth has to stand on its own merits you can’t prove it with photos or trying to debunk globe model. you could find 1000 flat places and earth would still be a globe (like finding dimples on a golf ball) FE model must conform to science principles and laws, but it doesn’t it violates just about every science law, from conservation of energy to motion, to inertia, to thermodynamics, to magnetism and electricity


  20. HappyBirthday March 26, 2017 at 5:08 am Reply

    The conference in Raleigh in November looks very interesting!
    Info here


  21. Rorey Dean July 23, 2017 at 7:56 pm Reply

    This Coleman is regarding (Rick Delano).
    I’m not sure of his true identity. But I do know he was the actor, the mumbling redneck in *Waterboy*. Along with small rules in the Disney kid show *Boy Meets World*.
    Yeah… Doesn’t look like a innocent whistle-blower.


    • Rorey Dean July 23, 2017 at 7:57 pm Reply

      This COMMENT!!


  22. John Zalewski August 12, 2017 at 10:52 pm Reply

    Why don’t any of your “First Questions Asked” links work? Is there any chance those could be redone?


  23. Ric August 17, 2017 at 3:58 pm Reply

    Hans February 24, 2017 at 9:35 am

    I am glad that someone invests his time to respond to the FE model nonsense.

    “By the way, all GPS satellites are launched by rockets, which use the ground speed of the rotating earth to safe fuel. There are no rockets launched westwards…..

    I am sorry to say Hans, that most of the ‘learned’ debunkers of FE make ‘scientific’ assumptions up, as they go.

    If this above quoted statement of yours is true, then all long distance aircraft would save fuel by always taking off and flying east…
    However, if this was true, then one could shorten travel time by flying West…

    You cannot have it both ways:
    Either the ‘spinning ball’ earth is a ‘cocoon’ that protects inhabitants of earth from the neck breaking speed that we are revolving at and stop us from flying off the surface ‘with out wings’, in which case your ‘statement of fact’ above is nonsense,
    You’re talking the truth’, in which case flying from Africa to America at 1000mph will be as simple as hovering a few meters above ground for a few hours, waiting for earth to spin past and then land when America comes by….

    Kindly explain my error in questioning your brilliance…



    • madmanwbluebox August 18, 2017 at 3:33 am Reply

      ric, you don’t comprehend angular speed, it’s not measured in mph, it’s measured in radians /sec or revolutions per minute, thus the entire globe spins at 0.00069 rpm. the 1000 mph FE’ers throw around as an impossible speed is just that, it’s a pseudo vector component, part of the equation in solving for centripetal force, which is measurable on earth and a proof of earth’s rotation. you have zero comprehension of frames of reference easily proven by jumping up inside a plane, you aren’t thrown to back of plane at 500 mph. if not for air friction, you could easily step outside a plane and continue to move with it.


      • Ric September 3, 2017 at 11:11 pm

        You state:
        “you have zero comprehension of frames of reference easily proven by jumping up inside a plane, you aren’t thrown to back of plane at 500 mph. if not for air friction, you could easily step outside a plane and continue to move with it.”

        That is exactly my point. Earth is a closed system as the inside of an airplane. Whether I run to the front or rear of an aircraft flying at 500 km/h, does not change my speed inside the closed system.

        Why would the direction you launch a rocket in earth’s closed system have any effect on the rockets speed?

        Regarding the speed earth spin at, logic tells me that no matter what learned terms one uses, if a ball with a circumference of plus minus 24’000 miles rotates once a day -every 24 hours- that the same point on that ball returns to the starting point, then that ball and any specific point on that ball is moving at plus minus a 1000 miles per hour.
        The number of revolutions you state is actually a way to hide the real speed any given point on earth is experiencing. To express earth’s speed in revolutions per minute, means nothing to those who cannot convert it into an understandable speed…
        Why would one try to hide this fact?

        Feel free to correct my logic with better logic.


      • madmanwbluebox September 3, 2017 at 11:21 pm

        because the rocket is leaving earth’s closed system. same as if you throw something out of a car window, which was does it go? that’s why the Enola Gay had to bank hard as the atomic bomb was continuing in the forward direction directly under the plane. if you threw a ball backwards out of a car window the force backwards would be counteracted by the forward motion. you get it now?


  24. madmanwbluebox September 3, 2017 at 11:28 pm Reply

    again as I stated you do not understand angular velocity, it is only expressed in revolution per minute or radians per second. when you “calculate” the “speed” based on the distance from the axis of rotation that is not a “true” speed that value is a fictitious or pseudo value it is part of the values used to calculate the centripetal force. it is a meaningless value taken out of context. it would be impossible for Earth to have different points traveling at different speeds. imagine you are hanging off a merry go round your hands are traveling at 1 “speed” but your feet (since they are further from axis of rotation) are traveling at another “speed”. see those speeds are fictitious


    • madmanwbluebox September 4, 2017 at 1:27 am Reply

      air resistance is not causing a ball thrown backwards from a car to counter act the forward momentum.


  25. Questioning September 9, 2017 at 7:10 am Reply

    Wondering why the sun “rises” on a flat earth, I came to this site and saw in answer to #17, that it is a matter of the law of perspective, and I appreciate the demonstration of the coin, representing the sun receding on a flat surface, that the sun does begin to lose its bottom half as it recedes and the bottom half is again viable as it draws near, with the appearance of rising. However the coin grows smaller as it recedes and the sun is largest when appearing at the horizon, then gets smaller as it climbs. Is there a simple demonstration for this perspective?


    • madmanwbluebox September 12, 2017 at 5:06 am Reply

      the coin on the table is a trick as the FE sun isn’t at sea level it’s allegedly 3000 miles above the surface. simple trigonometry proves (as well as 3D descriptive geometry) proves that any object parallel to a surface receding away from an observer will shrink proportionally into a dot (vanishing point) around 25 degrees above the horizon. that is the REAL law of perspective you will find in any descriptive geometry text book, or by using trigonometry. the FE explanation has no foundation in any book on perspective, vanishing points, or descriptive geometry, it’s literally something Rowbotham made up that is easily debunked e.g. if an object has reached a vanishing point then increasing your distance from it should not make it appear, but going up you are increasing your distance, but by going up you can bring back object proving the object WAS NEVER AT A VANISHING POINT DISTANCE IN FIRST PLACE

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  27. kevin October 26, 2017 at 5:02 pm Reply

    HI, Have been following you for a bit. I have some VERY interesting info…I will send my emai address……………


  28. Jay Bauer November 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm Reply

    Hello, I have been following for some time. I cannot find an email address for you, so I will attempt, here, to ask you to respond to the Weatherwars101 video against flat earth. Thanks. J


    • madmanwbluebox November 3, 2017 at 7:47 pm Reply

      there is no such thing as weather war, you people lack even the basic fundamental understanding of physics, electromagnetic energy cannot manipulate, move, divert something as much mass as a hurricane, all science can do is seed the storm which increases the latent heat energy and weakens the storm, the only other approved defense (at discretion of President) is to you a low yield thermonuclear device to break up the storm, damage from a high altitude nuclear blast is less than damage from a cat 5 hurricane in a major city.


  29. phil November 5, 2017 at 9:02 pm Reply

    Whats happening on YouTube? the latest video doesn’t even sound like you?
    its poor
    and i suspect its not yours
    I listen to your older output and its you!
    this first one is not you, or you got a big cold borther


  30. Lynne November 9, 2017 at 1:30 am Reply

    You are clearly missing the big picture……
    They are promoting the marijuana agenda
    Because Bayer/Monsanto hold the patent for
    Genetically modified MJ. Soon, when they
    Demand standardized potency MJ, the only available answer will be to use genetically modified pot from Monsanto ( Bayer) will be used
    Everywhere, driving all growers out of business
    Unless they buy Monsanto seeds


  31. Austin Muhs November 13, 2017 at 3:42 am Reply

    hey brother, can I use some of your houston footage for my harvey doc? let me know is my email… if I make anything its going to rescuers and victims… I was a dispatcher during harvey myself for cajun/independent crews… making it over the next few months… best A


  32. Ape November 23, 2017 at 7:18 pm Reply

    yeah, back all the way to middle ages, what a bunch of ignorant and un-informative morons.
    I’ve seen it… all round, so screw all the hollow words about flat.


  33. Amanwithaplan December 11, 2017 at 11:20 am Reply

    I’ve been following reported Cal Fire events and have a plan to bring much needed help to displaced Californians, such as those in evacuee camps, but I’m in Illinois and don’t know anybody in California. If anybody knows of a way to put me in contact with someone who’s assisting these people (or with the owner of this site [who appears to be well informed and knowledgeable]) and can help me do more for them, please reply to this message. Thanks to all. Keep up the good work.


  34. Elme P. Payongayong January 1, 2018 at 9:55 am Reply

    Starts here.

    Earth why not flat, with 200 proofs. I enjoy reading your material, and indeed if no one investigates someone’s claim, then it is considered the de facto. Have yourself investigate your claim? How far you’ve travelled our world? Have you travelled 500+ miles up above or down below our world, are there any difference which is the shortest route will lead you to space faster and to see the curvature of the Earth? When I was a kid about 3 feet high, i’m fond of crossing the interstate highway (it is consider jailwalk)…coz the distance is huge between south and north bound end points, beside its a shortcut to school and part-work. I was 3 feet high and the way I see my world back then is HUGE…and now as an Adult it’s seems too small. Measurement between distance never changed. Thus, Measurement, Mathematics, is part of Scientific investigation to have as proofs…Theory of (?)—>Math—>The Law of (?).

    .And the Answer to your flat world (and mine too when I was 3 feet high) is called PERCEPTION. Add the ingredients of Perception, Belief, and the power of Suggestion on a mass scale….whoa…there’s no difference between fact nor fiction. I think the Bible called it Armageddon and for Science it’s called Unified Theory (?) (? or Law ….hmm, not sure, due to non existence of reasoning. )

    Ends here…
    Elmer P. Payongayong


  35. Ratko47 January 4, 2018 at 5:19 pm Reply

    Thank you for all information, apt. I can’t believe how i swallowed everything with ease through ‘education systems’. The level of confidence i had i globe earth theory was so high that to me anyone who questioned it was basically the same as if someone questioned the boiling point of water. I also came accross FES, mainly because i accidentally learned about it on the internet, and when i saw ‘arguments’ they offer, i was turned tight away, as it was it’s intended purpose, which was unknown to me at that time.
    The thought of earth being something other than sphere never again crossed my mind. It was only after stumbling upon eric dubay’s channel in the second half of 2016 that i tried giving it one last go. And thank God i did. The amount of information i was exposed to left me in great state of melancholy. For days i didn’t know what to think. How does this make sense? How is it possible that humanity for 500 years was oblivious to it’s home’s true nature? How could someone/something keep this almost impossible illusion alive for such a long period of time? And why most of the people react with such agression and codesendence when someone even so much as mentions ‘flat earth’ to them?
    Jesuits were the answer to all of them. Not only to matters regarding shape of earth, but politics, economy, culture and society itself. That was all thanks to your videos and other material you supplied. Now i am more sure than ever that, until people wake up and finally start realizing that the deceptive world they live and support is not made for them, but for powers that be, nothing will ever change. The people will continue surviving and blaming each other for their misserable lives, while elite sits back, living a truly relaxed and care free life, enjoying benefits we provide and expecting us to be thankful in return.
    Peace brother.


  36. Philip January 10, 2018 at 6:26 am Reply

    I am an old physician, pilot, and artist (with 4 science degrees). Having studied both camps and experimenting with scopes, eclipses, and observing NASA OHSA and CDC violations and NASA CGI incompetence … I assess that NASA is a sinister ‘cold-war’ green-screen cult, that embezzles JoeTaxpayer’s trust.

    Like Rob Skiba (who gives God and Jesus glory), I witness an ‘open door’ to God’s plane, and bless your scientific observations, history, and inquiry. Both camps suffer cognitive dissonance at present. I appreciate the patience of FE pioneers against pseudoscience.

    For me, the only empirical proof remaining that earth is globe seems the 12hr day/night precision @ the equator. I cannot clearly hypothesize such precision with FE models, yet.

    But everything else I’ve observed and experimented with suggests FE model(s) are always more tenable than globe models … having viewed thousands of observable FE proofs … from true cosmogeny, biology, physiology, art, piloting, astronomy, photography, specific video studies, case studies, etc.

    Utmost blessings and to God alone be the glory!


  37. gareth January 12, 2018 at 3:38 am Reply

    Thank you for the amazing videos!

    Last summer in western canada we experienced these wildfire anomalies again. Unexplained wildfires all through british columbia’s interior forced 30,000 to evacuate for over a month. The fires melted cars, turned buildings to dust yet left surrounding trees alive.

    Two weeks after the province-wide firestorm began “smoke” suddenly arrived here on the coast in vancouver, yet it was silver and odorless.


  38. Patrik March 6, 2018 at 6:38 am Reply

    Could anyone who managed to download the flat earth book that allegedly is for free tell me how he or she did it?


    • jwlpeace March 7, 2018 at 5:37 pm Reply

      click on link above image of book cover


  39. barry March 12, 2018 at 7:07 pm Reply

    Further to our conversation on youtube about Calgary airport: I just talked with my brother again (we don’t talk much and this was texting) and although he got cagey and weird about answering my questions, I finally got him to admit that – aircraft fuel comes from underground tanks and it took them “over an hour” to load whatever fuel into the horse hauling 747 and then offload the over loaded 50 tons.

    Totally implausible time wise. The venting needed to accommodate that fuel flow rate would be tremendous. Unless they’re like race cars!


  40. Anthony Parr March 29, 2018 at 1:50 am Reply

    Thanks for your work. I’m trying to get in touch with some other truthers. I have some videos that I think a lot of people would like to see like to share I’m constantly looking in the skies and videotaping and I have some very strange things I would like others to give me their input on, and see what they think please get in touch I have videos on YouTube Anthony Parr

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  41. a400a April 4, 2018 at 5:15 am Reply

    Thank you for this blog and the YouTube videos on geoengineering


  42. Rich April 11, 2018 at 4:39 pm Reply

    Interesting photos of Alexander Graham Bell and tetrahedral kites. Look like demonic drone prototypes. Don’t know if this goes anywhere but thought you might find it interesting


  43. LuB April 12, 2018 at 10:41 am Reply

    Centrifugal force is an observed actuallity. So, if the world is a spinning sphere (thereby creating a centrifugal force on anything on the surface) how can we all and the oceans and the land still be on the surface? Surely we would have been thrown off. If any one dares to defend gravity then you better have a good explanation of what that actually is…. As an aside. I have 2 children who when they were young weighed the same. One i could easily pick up and carry, the other I couldnt lift. Explain that with gravity. Gauntlet thrown. Anyone up to that?


    • Happy Birthday April 13, 2018 at 1:35 am Reply



  44. Clint May 7, 2018 at 2:52 am Reply

    Has flat ear theory addressed the changes in gravity at elevation? The acceleration due to gravity changes with distance from the center of mass. The difference is minute, but definitely detectable and able to be calculated. I have, admittedly, put more research into FET than I care to admit, but feel that this in and of itself is enough to prove a globular earth. It would be a relatively simple and inexpensive experiment to run: find out how long it takes for something to fall exactly one meter, then derive the acceleration. do a couple hundred tests to get statistical significance, then repeat at a different altitude.

    Once you can prove that gravity exists (it does), you can say, “where is the center of mass?” For something to have a center of mass, it has to have a 3D shape. Please consider:

    If you pick a flat washer as your 3D shape(which would allow for your flat earth design), then the gravity closer to the south would be much less than what it is near the north (because the center of mass would be at the north pole, and under ground to the halfway point between each ‘face’ of the washer-earth), and angled closer to horizontal than vertical.
    Now I watched some of the 2010 FIFA World Cup, and I can tell you that when the soccer balls were kicked in the air, they did not fall northward. They fell to the ground. Nor were players jumping several times higher than they could in America.

    If you pick a cube or any 3D shape (with your flat earth being one flat face of the shape), then the same phenomenon would occur.

    If you pick a sphere (or rough approximation of a sphere… we don’t really need to get into the centripetal force from rotation just yet) as your 3D shape, the center of mass will be roughly in its center. That would mean that at any point on its surface, the direction going towards the center of mass will also be going towards the center of the earth. Coincidentally, that vector just so happens to be straight “down,” no matter where you are on earth. You can kick a soccer ball wherever you are on earth, and it will always accelerate in a ground-ward direction. It doesn’t matter if you are playing soccer at the 2010 World Cup in South Africa or at the upcoming 2018 World Cup in Russia, the ball will never fall in any direction but down.

    In short, once you prove to yourself that gravity exists, and that it varies by elevation and not position, then there is only one model that can possibly allow for both me and my South African buddy to be able to play soccer.


    • Clint May 7, 2018 at 3:02 am Reply

      *Earth–my apologies.

      Also I noticed that I did not actually define gravity. In its simplest terms, gravity is defined as the attraction of one object to another, with a relation to both objects’ masses and distances. The vector force is in the direction of each object’s center of mass.


    • EvidencePlease May 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm Reply


      What about the measurable acceleration itself as the item falls over many meters and/or seconds? The change in velocity due to gravity as it falls is also evidence.

      With the common claim of “density” from a FE point of view, did anyone ever explain why density would result in acceleration?



  45. albert May 17, 2018 at 1:39 am Reply

    Hi, I just started watching some of your videos, however I cant find who is the person in charge to send an email to, nor any email address. I have entered the flat earth realm since a few months as well as some other conspiracies related, and I have noticed a reluctance of the main stream vloggers to exchange or be receptive to any outside ideas but their own, is if they own this space for themselves and are trying to protect their integrity, their secrets, but most likely is they are trying to protect anything that they view as a threat or not related to the money and profit they are making from exploiting this growing movement. No one seems wants to lose their piece of the action, and we all know that when people say it is all about the cause, well, generally is about the money, yes, follow the money trail.
    Anyway I have serious questions, not threatening but the ones that will help me understand many more things than I do now, but I don’t have any partner or friend in this new industry with whom to share or contribute to.
    Whomever you are, please send me your email and your name so I can write you in a proper form my commentary, I promise I do not affiliate to any segment, group or movement and all I want to find out as well as most people here, is the truth in the same way you are trying to do I suppose.
    If you are offering a vehicle for us where to access the truth you should be open to get feedback from all your viewers. We had enough things hidden from us and being manipulated so please be considerate with you human fellows that follow you and devote their time in doing so, and try to answer and relate to them like they actually exist and not only live as holograms in this world.

    My email if you care is:

    Thank you for your time and consideration


  46. Jack daugherty May 31, 2018 at 5:28 pm Reply

    Dear Planetruth,
    I just want to start by saying that I appreciate all of your hard work. You present the information in a (mostly) concise and very interesting way. Your a natural! I share many, many of your views and mores. I want TRUTH! No matter the cost, because I want to be free, I want the unvarnished and whole truth. Or at least as much as I can comprehend and handle.
    One thing that interests me is your insistance on the “Jesuits rule everything” narrative. This sets off alarm bells for me, as we all know that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. A 3 year old child would understand that if Hollywood, Wall St., The Federal Reserve, the ACLU and SPLC, ALL publishing companies of novels and textbooks, ALL of the tech companies, MOST billionaires, Neocons and four of nine Supreme Court justices are jewish and not Catholic, I find it hard to believe that you would not know this, especially considering your research. Kabbalah is Mystery Babylon, the Synagogue of Satan are not Jesuits and the fake jews are most certainly Gog and Magog. And last, but not least, the pope wears a yalmuke! So, I pray you are just confused and not trying to plant leaven. With respect.


  47. Jack daugherty May 31, 2018 at 5:42 pm Reply

    P.S. I love the Who!


    • welloiledbeefhooked June 3, 2018 at 1:17 am Reply

      Jack, if you had an earthwide secret group controlling humanity, would
      you legitimize and publish what that group is and how it runs the
      world? Or would you create and invent a host of boogeymen that are
      just your corrupt foot soldiers and lackeys, as the prime group in
      control of the world, the better to hide your real group who know no
      race, religion, border or common belief and to deflect attention away
      from it by casting your foot soldiers as the supreme rulers of earth?
      Its all about the smoke and mirrors, the jesuits havent got away with
      existing and altering history by compromising kings and nobles and
      then identifying themselves and their deeds. They are answerable to no
      race, group, nation or people. They want you to errantly hate a whole
      race of both innocent and dangerous people because that automatically
      turns you into a monster, a monster that wants innocent baby and hand
      wringing old thief dead just the same, based on genealogy, when what
      your actually fighting is an ideology, a stand alone narcissism,
      spawned from Rome.
      Find an easily available book called “Jesuits
      Handbook” circa 1500 to 1600, everything is in there, exactly how they
      work. Hope this helps.
      Not everyone that debates the suspension of intellect and empathy involved in declaring an entire race evil, is supporting the jews, the jesuits invented a nazi version of every major religion and its this ashkenazi Jewry that is oh so public, all it is, is that they recruit from jewish people, its not but a fraction of what jewish people are. Everytime I see one of these Ashkenazi hollywood/wall street vermin, I want to stomp their face through a wall, even if you wiped every crooked jew out, rome would simply replace them with a new bunch of brainwashed hired goons to do their bidding. Thats how they defend themselves, by being total cowering cowards who have other groups fooled into serving them. If we dont know our enemy and history, we are doomed to the same cycles of misplaced hate and being coerced into doing the jesuits bidding, nothing they like more than tricking you into starting a war with people who never attacked you. “Its those jews” is their narrative, try to find your own.


      • HappyBirthday June 10, 2018 at 5:46 pm

        Interesting take on the way the world works. Tell me how all this relates to flat earth belief?


  48. Jack daugherty June 10, 2018 at 9:45 pm Reply

    WelloiledBeefhooked, you are close. Its just my opinion, but the I look at every word of the Holy Bible as my guide. I think the annunaki are interesting but I see the Bible as the truth andthe Sumerians in error rather than the other way around. Jesus never railed against the Jesuits and claimed that their father was the devil, or claim that a non-existent Vatican was the Synagogue of Satan. But, He did,however say that about the rabbis and the Sanhedrin. I just try to read the plain truth for myself and thats what my Bible and my eyes tell me. I believe that the evidence is plentiful that the jews are at the top of the food chain. Just read their literature. They are everything that they accuse Hitler of being. Who can you not criticize without being fired? Why is there no Creche in front of the White House any more, (ACLU)but yet, a MENORAH is lit evey year on the lawn? One may say anything one wants about the Jesuits in public, but you better keep your mouth shut (boy) about the jews. Just sayin… . S. My two best friends are jewish and they are not conciously in on it. Unconsciosly… maybe a little.


  49. Jack daugherty June 10, 2018 at 11:24 pm Reply

    P.S. Adam Wieshaupt, Rivera, the Young Turks, responsible for the Armenian genocide, Pope John Paul 2, probably Eisenhower and Roosevelt, among many many others were crypo jews. Judaism teaches its disciples to accept any religion that is prevelent in the area they live in, and to continue to be a jew secretly. Judaism also teaches that one is always a jew regardless of whether one converts to another religion (even intentionally) or if one does not believe in God at all. The jews merely created theJesuits in order to take over the Vatican. Mission accomplished!


  50. Jack daugherty June 10, 2018 at 11:27 pm Reply

    Happy Birthday!, If you knew Kabbalah, you would know that it teaches that the earth is a globe and insignifigant. That is why we are taught a globe earth.


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