Start Here

~ Comments, submissions and constructive critiques all welcome as long as it is civil. 

This site asks many more questions than it answers. Common sense and our own eyes tell our brains that the Sun and Moon move across our horizons each and every day and that the Earth is a plane, as seen from standing on any beach in the world and looking out over the ocean as well as from an airplane.

Common Sense and reason tell us the Earth is stationary and not rotating on her axis at and incredible 1,000 mph as well as orbiting around the Sun at some 1,000 mp/second traveling some 533 million miles each and every year while our Solar System is then traveling around the Milky Way at over 500,000 mph, as science claims it is.

Why would “they” perpetuate such a massive lie for so long?

Literally to keep our individual powers in check in that we are the center of the universe and all have the Kingdom of God within.

As Above, So Below.

200 Proofs Earth NOT a Globe

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

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The Flammarion (1888). The image depicts a man crawling under the edge of the sky, depicted as if it were a solid hemisphere and plane earth, to look at the mysterious Empyrean beyond. The caption translates to “A medieval missionary tells that he has found the point where heaven and Earth meet…”

Since the end of the Dark Ages and the beginning of the Scientific Revolution, around the mid-1500’s, the world has been told, and believed, the Earth to be a globe.

The spheroid called Earth, spinning in a complete circle every 24 hours on it’s tilted access traveling at some 1,000 mph while yearly circumnavigating the Sun in one year traveling an additional 68,000 mph, or 1,000 mile per/second.

We are told by astronomy phycisists that our Sun Solar System travels around our Milky Way Galaxy at over 500,000 mph, while we are glued to Earth through gravity in a atmospheric cocoon that keeps all motion in sync with a rapidly spinning ball that we all live upon.

Yet the 500 year old story of a heliocentric solar system vs. the 3500 year story of a flat plane geocentric Earth began when the Vatican held all knowledge and book publishing just began so the masses could educate themselves in the 15th and 16th centuries.

From Copernicus to Galileo to Newton to Kepler, all validated “proven” science came from the Royal Society of London.

Starting with the Industrial Devolution , at the beginning of the 20th century, all school text books and teacher accreditation’s were founded and funded by Robber Baron’s, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Ford et. al (Source)

After WWII, with the critical assistance of the Vatican “ratline” passports, the United States brought Nazi Rocketeer “Wunderkind”, Werhner Von Braun, into the country through Operation Paperclip.

Von Braun ran NASA’s Saturn rocket program for 25 years.  All feeds that came from the Moon on the alleged first Man on the Moon transmission came from one feed at NASA where all TV broadcasters had to copy from.

Since the 1960’s, when we entered the “space race” against our alleged arch enemy, Russia, during the cold war, NASA has provided us the narrative of our physical Earth, with every single picture and every single story, about what we have learned from the Cosmos through telescopes and space exploration.

“Maintain a lie or secret for one generation and the next generartion becomes easy pickings, particularly if the lie is echoed in school textbooks, TV cartoons, The History and Discovery Channels. Confuse one generation and the next will happily ingest the media gruel prepared for them.”     ~ Elana Freeland

Since the 1800’s, very few have challenged the Heliocentric theory because it is “settled science”.

Until now.

Our most basic cultural identities, of a global earth traveling around a central star, traveling around a galaxy amongst billions and billions of other galaxies, too far away to fathom, with their own planets and solar systems in the universe, is accepted common knowledge to all.

Yet, If one simply observes for themselves, without prejudice or belief, he/she would see a Sun and Moon traveling across the sky each day along a prescribed path from East to West.

We see the size of the Sun and Moon being relatively the same.

We feel no motion of an Earth traveling at 1,000 mph each and every day around a Sun traveling at 1,000 miles/second and over 500,000 mph around the Milky Way galaxy.

And no matter how high in a plane we are, we never see the curvature of the Earth, only a flat, level plane.

Only from NASA and Google Earth do we see any curvature, yet simple physics tells us we should.

The ancients called it a “Sunrise” and “Sunset” and we use that same language today, though we are told that these terms are incorrect in basic astronomical physics. No English teacher of proper usage of grammar, or any physicist, ever corrects this erroneous description of our “settled” knowledge as to the physics of a heliocentric Earth.

For over 3500 years many cultures including the ancient Summerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Vedic Indians, Chinese and original Native Americans believed the earth to the center of all things in the Universe.

Additionally, the Bible is filled with references of a flat earth and firmament above in a closed system.

Once a generation is indoctrinated to a way of thinking, it is very easy for following generations to admit as fact what was once considered nonsensical.

If long term powers that be wanted to control world knowledge, to make the every man, women and child think and feel insignificant, and not hold the thought of a “Kingdom of God Within”, you would tell him he is only a very, very, very small part of a much bigger whole that he cannot possible comprehend or understand.

As Above, So Below

Alice goes down the rabbit hole.

This blog is an attempt to bring to those open-minded enough material to consider the possibility that we have been brainwashed completely and successfully for some 500 years!

The site is explore, question, inform and solve hidden truths about whether we are a plane or a planet, whether the Moon and Sun move across our skies as it appears, or that what we see is not really what is happening “out there” but we hold our own Sun, Moon and stars within each of us.

So let’s go chase some rabbits down the hole with open minds and insatiable curiosity for truth and higher consciousness …..

230 thoughts on “Start Here

  1. HappyBirthday July 21, 2018 at 3:27 am Reply

    I just read a series of articles that explained how flat earth ideas came back into vogue in the 1950s by some people who just wanted to troll gullible people. Then it kept growing but mostly as a way to have fun and to see how creative and clever the writers could get. Thing is,a lot of people began believing the ideas. And the group separated into believers and trolls.
    Interesting. Don’t you think?

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  2. Rorschach July 23, 2018 at 4:48 am Reply

    It’s almost as if there’s a whole group out there that takes metaphors literally.

    And also… is every planet in the known universe flat, or just Earth? I’m very confused about that.

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    • John Morgan September 6, 2018 at 5:11 pm Reply

      no planets exist silly person… also, no planes were used on 911… now go back to bed…

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  3. Lindsay Moffett August 6, 2018 at 9:36 pm Reply

    I wanted to give you some info on another fire that was most likely a product of d.e.w I’ll attach some photos of slave lake Alberta Canada wildfire from 2011. A third of the entire city was destroyed and the pics are eerily similar to d e.w from Greece and California etc. https://goo.gl/images/qjTbcv.

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  4. Amy Jensen August 9, 2018 at 7:04 pm Reply

    Do you have an email address to send info/pics too? I’ve been documenting the skies where I live the past year and have some interesting evidence. I would love your insight. I happen to live 4 miles from an AFB. Thank you!

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  5. Brian Rosino August 13, 2018 at 7:26 pm Reply

    Just watched, “Why Maj is being legalized all at once.” Great info, great research but when you want to send a vid to someone with their head up their ass it doesn’t work. You have too many issues in one vid. Hemp, mind control, health issues. If you preach to peeps that already get it, its Ok but if you want to educate peeps who are ignorant, it doesn’t work well. It would be great to have shorter vids that just focus on one issue at a time. Thanks much for all you do.

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  6. mike August 16, 2018 at 11:35 pm Reply

    Hey brother, I watch a ton of your stuff. I’m a Christian FE believer. I just got a letter from SC Edison saying they were gonna start shutting down power in high risk fire areas like ours. If i didnt know the Lord I’d be terrified. I feel I need a plan and to warn my community. I’d love to talk if you’d consider giving me a call. Mike 323 455 6333
    God bless

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  7. Matt Musich August 18, 2018 at 8:18 pm Reply

    The Ohio serpent mound,
    Please do a segment on this.
    The serpent mound is not a serpent eating an egg it is actually a sperm.when have you seen a snake eating an egg, that is extremely rare. But at closer inspection the mound is an exact representation of a microscopic zygote, with ungulating tail and DNA packet showing a clear separation where the tail snaps off from the packet when it is inserted into the ovam. How would ancient people have known about this?

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    • Yahooty's Booty January 17, 2019 at 2:11 am Reply

      You obviously don’t live on a farm. Snakes love eggs. They have gone from one nesting box to another, through a knot hole, eating an egg in each box, thus getting trapped until their eggs digest. This site mixes a lot of real truths mixed with a lot of phooey. Shame. Because the people believe the lies because they believed the truth. If it was a truthful site, it would tell the whole truth, and nothing but the whole truth.

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      • Jen May 19, 2019 at 4:00 am

        Great comment: That’s why I get confused & frustrated! I’m new to so much of this. Other than trying to apply “common-sense” (which is really hard on a topic you know very little about & is very difficult to research… GEESH, Could I sound any MORE WHINY?), do you have any advice? Thanks!

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      • rule62jen May 19, 2019 at 4:17 am

        Great comment! I’m very new to all this. Do you have any advice on how to separate the junk from the facts? “Common sense” isn’t quite common & search results are buried on almost all platforms (GEESH, could I WHINE any MORE?). What I’ve been focused most on trying to find are videos that debunk flat-earth theories WITHOUT mocking & belittling those of us who believe it’s a possibility (& who KNOW that the gov’t is a bunch of big ol’ fat lying liar, lying-pants, just to stuff their pockets with an extra $18 BILLION/ YEAR, Lol). Thanks in advance for any help/ tips you can offer!

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    • Rick Vandermaarel September 20, 2019 at 5:57 am Reply

      Ancient people knew about these things because contrary to evolutionary dogma, they were very intelligent. For example, The monument (carved slab of rock at Baalbek, just north of Israel. 21st century cranes cannot even lift it never mind build a structure with it. We are being lied to on many fronts. But take comfort in this, Jesus Christ has all power in heaven and in the earth, and hr shall come to judge the living and the dead! Praise God from whom all blessings flow! Rick

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  8. Tammy August 24, 2018 at 3:41 am Reply

    Hi,
    Really enjoy the info you post. I live in east bay area and am concerned about the fires. Just wanted to let you know about a website: publicintelligence.net.
    It is a goldmine of military and secret info. There is even info on ember bombs, and DEW weapons. Keep up the great work!

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  9. republicofgrace15 September 16, 2018 at 2:01 am Reply

    Thank you so much for this web site and all of the resources contained therein! May grace and peace be with you from God The Father and Our Lord Jesus Christ—Rick

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    • Yahooty's Booty January 17, 2019 at 2:15 am Reply

      Please use discernment with this site. Not all is truth. Even Satan can trick a person by mixing fact with fiction. God bless you. Some of the trickory is very obvious, especially if you know the facts.

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  10. John Daugherty September 21, 2018 at 1:51 pm Reply

    Love your work. I was just watching your video on paul mccartney being dead and Billy Shears taking over for him. You read from a book on Tavistock that mentioned a German musician had written all of the Beatles music. He was a jew as were all of his co-horts in Germany who invented rock-n-roll, according to what you were reading. And yet, you go on and on with the Jesuit drivel. Do you not know that the Jesuots were founded by jews? 4 of the 5 founders were Mariano- crypto jews whose families were forced to convert to Catholicism in order to remain in Spain. So, there is no either/or. The Jesuits are the jews and vice-versa. The popes best friend is a rabbi! Quit making excuses for the synagogue of Satan. P. S. I am not Catholic.

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  11. Sam September 24, 2018 at 12:26 pm Reply

    Why was women seduce and prey on men by nature taken down? Please tell me where I can find it?🙏🏻

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  12. Rik Rice October 4, 2018 at 2:14 am Reply

    jamie, hello my friend, at least i feel you are my friend, as i listen to you everyday. i am so proud of you and your courage to tell the world the truth as you see it. thanks for all your insight and effort and of course your courage and pride to do what you do. I lived in marin for over 13 years in Fairfax and enjoyed the right minded thinker there, now in Thailand. life is a wild one now for sure, not much to do but watch the show and be the role model while researching ourselves into a deep WTF everyday. thanks bro….my ears to you for you are the voice and you should be president.

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  13. Dan October 23, 2018 at 6:51 pm Reply

    So I was watching one of your videos the other day on the sun simulator and I saw something weird this morning. I took some photos and I made a video and I’m not exactly sure what to make of it but at 8:00 am and 9:30 am there were two different sources of light. So tell me what you think and if I have to I will make an update but whatever it is it was strange talk to you later.

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  14. Cooper H. November 17, 2018 at 2:13 am Reply

    hey jamie, im cooper, bruce hillyers son, im not sure if you found out yet or not but my father is gone and has taken his own life last year. please contact me.

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  15. Darrell Winter November 19, 2018 at 12:05 am Reply

    Thanks for the information very valuable, a blessing to those who watch. I’m an old geezer, turned 70 this year, not that it matters, so I will get to my point. U really need to NAME – the Beast, & I don’t mean 666 or anything religious. This may sound silly but it is not. I call it ” the Cowboy Way “. the American way in the USA, sad to say,. today & tomorrow,. O. and abroad !!! Ask yourself,. What would this country be without. John Wayne, a real Cowboy,. or Roy Rogers & Dale Evans, Poncho & Cisco Cowboy’s of color, or The Lone Ranger & Tanto, a white guy with a mask, & one native American. Then there’s Rambo & Dirty Harry. Also many others, but what do they all bring to the table, only additude & Gun’s,. it’s “the Cowboy Way”.

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  16. Darrell Winter November 19, 2018 at 12:28 am Reply

    U. see it’s all about money, in the beginning but that’s only in the beginning. What is really about is wealth, which is everything else including U. U see money has no shame, therefore money bear’s no guilt,. consequently money has no comparison for anything accept the bottom-line,. Which is the profits from the BOMBS,. the BULLES, &. the BANDAGES, of. WAR,. It’s ” The Cowboy Way “. the American way in the U.S.A.,. today & tomorrow. But,. there is a silver lining in the Dark cloud we are in. If. U. would like to learn more contact me, my number but is 715-558-8407. Don’t let it get. U down.

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  17. CA murders December 18, 2018 at 2:55 am Reply

    A few days before Paradise a large and strange darkish green convoy (not olive like nat guard) traveling north 101 paso. Large trucks with small writing “us navy” and a small shape like VI state in white on the driver door. Weird because never seen those trucks. Why small writing? Looked up (Russian-like on net pop up) and why us navy? never seen navy trucks before. Why a different state on truck? Why north when invaders coming from south? (May these be the source of weapons, although Brown/PGE/UN/NORAD could all direct from sky as well). Land, gold, train, PRC, UN agenda 21 all reasons

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  18. Stan Hansen January 12, 2019 at 9:15 am Reply

    What’s going on with this site? Half of the content is gone or just doesn’t come up even if you wait for it? You had some great stuff. If YouTube pulls a video, is there no other way to view your content? Didn’t this site have an article about true Biblical Jerusalem at the center of flat earth? This page has turned into a disappointment.

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  19. Mischa Popoff January 13, 2019 at 2:52 am Reply

    I worked for 5 years as a USDA-contract organic-inspector and have some insider information to share with you. Please get back to me if you’re interested. 

    Mischa and Sherry Popoff
    Royse City TX

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  20. Daniel hansen January 13, 2019 at 11:37 pm Reply

    Hi me and my family are from the paradise area and we’ve been told that your may be able to help us out with the owner home now we’re homeless doesn’t make much sense but if there’s anything that you could do would appreciate it if you can’t do anything if you could pray for us that would also help to our names is Daniel Hanson phone numbers 530-204-3799 we are currently staying family adopted us to live in one of the rooms but we’d like to get back on our own and be able to have a life again thank you for reading this

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  21. Anthony C Ciraulo January 17, 2019 at 10:12 pm Reply

    Richie from Boston is a shill along with odd TV he went to visit him in Colorado you can see their shells richiefromboston friend who lives in La the woman actor who has the doctor that whole things BS that chemtrail lung what’s that here…. https://youtu.be/qFhcjK0zaBc. Also. https://youtu.be/Id74z7GzcfE. Jamie I love when you do your videos I know we all find things sometimes later this is probably one of those please check these people out thanks

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  22. Jay January 24, 2019 at 5:19 pm Reply

    At the North pole Polaris is straight up in the sky. This is observable. This isn’t a theory or conjecture, it is a fact. Globe deniers like to say trust your senses, right? At the equator Polaris is on the horizon. Again, this is OBSERVABLE and a fact. Please explain to me how this works of a flat plane.

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  23. Anne February 1, 2019 at 3:20 am Reply

    How can I contact Jamie Lee? I cannot find a contact page on this site and while this may be because I’m on a phone, I also did research on Google, but then again, that may be the answer as to why not……anyone have his email contact info???

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  24. Tis me February 15, 2019 at 6:04 pm Reply

    too bad about the boob tube channel

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  25. Marie February 24, 2019 at 9:11 am Reply

    Were you able to upload your videos on another site? One day I just couldn’t find your channel.

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  26. martellus March 3, 2019 at 6:28 pm Reply

    I open to any evidences based theories.

    I have a military aviation background. Please explain line of site radio communications (the higher the aircraft, the further the radio range as a function of earth’s curvature), as it pertains to flat earth.

    Please explain Foucault’s Pendulum as it regards the earth’s rotation, as it pertains to flat earth.

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  27. martellus March 3, 2019 at 6:29 pm Reply

    I open to any evidences based theories.

    I have a military aviation background. Please explain line of sight radio communications (the higher the aircraft, the further the radio range as a function of earth’s curvature), as it pertains to flat earth.

    Please explain Foucault’s Pendulum as it regards the earth’s rotation, as it pertains to flat earth.

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  28. anthony March 6, 2019 at 3:20 am Reply

    I see, THEY shut your YouTube page off. If you have another one, let me know so I can subscribe to it! 💪🏿

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  29. Shara May 19, 2019 at 5:37 pm Reply

    Hi Jamie. I just watched your latest video about the Biomagneticism training. Im curious if you researched other companies that offer this training? I can’t attend the one this week but I’m very interested. What are your thoughts about the training offered online through biomagneticism.net ?
    Thanks for your time. I appreciate all that you do.

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  30. Melinda Z Ash July 25, 2019 at 8:03 pm Reply

    I’m missing you in you tube! You did give fair warning that you tube is a heavy hitting censor and only promotes mind numbing propaganda. I’m following you by email. I distrust facebook. Please don’t stop fighting the good fight against these dark soul sucking forces. I’ll be praying for all of us in Jesus powerful name. God bless you.

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  31. Carol Clarke July 26, 2019 at 1:47 am Reply

    Jamie, it’s Carol, of neverlosetruth, KafKaWinstonWolrd. I hope this gets to you. I want to know how you are doing since you’re channel went down. I am so sorry. Truth is truly being disappeared, and, I ain’t going to lie – I’ve been feeling really down about it’s disappearance. Since hearing your channel went down, again, I’ve been in a funk. There are few left that I respect, and you are one of them.

    You can email me at smilinrocks@gmail.com if you want to talk. I really am so sorry.

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  32. ellie July 27, 2019 at 3:41 am Reply

    Love your work about Paradise! Please watch this and share!

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  33. Patrick Nash July 27, 2019 at 4:16 pm Reply

    Both of your YouTube Channels are gone.
    Saturday 7\27\19

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  34. lillypadstudio July 28, 2019 at 4:42 am Reply

    Missing you on youtube

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  35. lillypadstudio July 28, 2019 at 4:43 am Reply

    Missing you on youtube what happened? Too much truth?

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  36. Mark Anthony July 28, 2019 at 6:39 pm Reply

    Hi Jamie
    You don’t know me
    But I’ve been following you
    Your work is quite impressive
    Thank you brother!
    I see that they have shut down your YouTube acct
    I feel lost
    Please let me know when you’re back on top
    I would also like to purchase your new flat earth book
    Please send me the info on that as well
    Keep your head up
    And thank you!

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  37. Phoenix Star August 7, 2019 at 5:57 am Reply

    Hi Jamie. I am a local resident and live in Sebastopol. I caught this image on my night surveillance camera. I have yet to see anything like this before as I have watched many hours of footage. I hope you can shed some light on the subject. I am not sure if this is spider or a nanorobot. I cannot figure out why it is glowing. I think you have done an amazing job covering the paradise fire and the Santa Rosa fires as well. Thank you for your efforts and keep seeking the truth. https://youtu.be/rFf_u5r1I4c

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  38. Craig G August 7, 2019 at 9:35 am Reply

    Due. Just trying to figure things out and last vid i watched was about the trolls and plants in the fe movement. Is it only that they dont mention jesuits or is what they are saying about fe wrong. I got interested in fe after listening to the other side of the argument. I do that on most subjects. You have to hear both sides before having any idea on what is right/wrong. Sooo…is the earth flat as far as we know or have we all been played. Skiba says read the bible as is, and it points to fe teachings. So is he ( and the others ) speaking what can be proven or again, are we being played. Thanks for listening people.

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  39. Craig G August 7, 2019 at 9:37 am Reply

    Sorry people, i meant dudes not due.

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  40. yogi August 23, 2019 at 2:04 am Reply

    HELLO Jamie Lee, Please check out this very interesting video from twitter. DEW caught on video??? your opinion counts on this matter! thank you in advance.
    https://twitter.com/DeepStateExpose/status/1164690984611078144?s=20

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  41. AlwaysInvestigating September 30, 2019 at 5:52 pm Reply

    Would someone please tell me what happened to the YouTube account, and how we can still view the videos?

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