Why Do Eclipses only occur on New Moons?
Why Does the Eclipse go from West to East when the Moon rises from East to West?
http://gearsofbiz.com/one-weird-thing-about-eclipses-youve-probably-never-noticed/6495
This summer, for the first time since 1918, a total solar eclipse will cut a path across the mainland United States. On August 21, everyone in North America will be able to watch the moon pass in front of the sun, blotting out some or all of its light (depending on where you live). People near Lincoln City, Oregon will see the total eclipse around 9:05am PDT. Then the path of totality slants eastward, finishing up in South Carolina at 2:43pm EDT.
But hold on—if the moon rises in the east and sets in the west (or pretty close to it, anyway), why does the shadow of an eclipse move from west to east? The answer, says Angela Speck, an astronomer at the University of Missouri, is a matter of perspective.
(“Apparent”, “Seems”, “Matter of Perspective”.. word/phrases modern science obfuscates the fact we live on a Flat plane Earth)
Watching the sky from the ground, we can see the moon (and the sun and stars) cross from east to west, as if they were moving in a clockwise direction around us.
“It’s almost like we are geocentric,” says Speck, referring to the outdated idea that the sun and moon revolve around our own pale blue dot. “We think of the Earth as being stationary, and everything’s moving around us, but it’s not like that.”
So let’s take a step back and picture the motions of Earth and the moon from a different point-of-view than the one we’re used to.
The moon “rises” in the east because Earth spins counterclockwise. From the top down, that looks like this:
(They have to change our viewing perspective to make their heliocentric model work)
In the diagram above, “A” will see the moon on its horizon sooner than “B” will, just because of the way the Earth spins. Looking at that again from a side view, you can see that A is east of B:
So that’s why the moon, sun, and stars rise in the east. But let’s not forget that the moon is moving, too. It circles Earth in a counterclockwise direction, like this:
Look at A and B from the side again, and you’ll see that the Moon actually passes in front of B, in the west, first. That’s why the eclipse’s shadow will travel from west to east.
Earth spins at about 1,040 miles per hour, while the moon moves around the Earth at about 2,100 mph. That means the shadow of the eclipse will travel east at a speed of 2,100-1,040= 1,060 miles per hour.
If the moon is moving twice as fast as the Earth spins, why doesn’t it ever lap us and rise in the west instead? That’s because the moon has to travel in a circle that’s much larger than the Earth’s circumference—it takes 27 days for the moon to complete its orbit around the globe. Partly it takes so long because the Earth is spinning, too. This animation (from 0:04 to 0:14) helps to explain things:
Aplanetruth.info 
I doubt it’s sensible to discuss the eclipse unless and until there are a set of FE predictions of the timing and location(s)/path of this and other eclipses (past and future).
The scientists have these calculated out in abundance, because of their “sciencey” ways.
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I hope you don’t mind me saying, but your comments are the most amusing.
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Thanks (I guess?).
I found it amusing that these words/concepts [“Apparent”, “Seems”, “Matter of Perspective”] were mentioned as an obfuscation tool, instead of common words with real meanings.
Apparently not; I guess it seems one way or another as a matter of perspective.
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If you say so. Keep them coming.
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Would you mind please answering a question for me.?
Before man made up numbers, how do you think an animal like a dog knew it had seven pups.?
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Ok, if you can’t answer that one, would you please answer another question for me.?
Do you think the common word SENSE has a real meaning.?
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Stu – I haven’t mentioned the matter; why do you ask?
If you’re personally curious, have you tried to google it yourself?
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I know what I think, I am just curious as to what you think.?
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Stu,
I defer to any one of the online dictionaries as my answer, and to you to provide relevance to this exchange.
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Fair cop out. Common sense prevails.
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I watched a few ‘scientific explanations’ of why this solar eclipse moves west to east. Most models show the rotation of the earth going opposite of what is normally claimed. 😆 The only other way they show it can happen is with a fast moon. The fast moon orbits earth twice as fast as the earth supposedly spins. 😆 If it moved that fast it would always overtake the sun and the story of the tortoise and the hare would be totally different.
So, science cannot figure out how this works with their heliocentric theory and it seems their models contradict each other. If it cannot work, there is a problem with the theory. Of course many of us know that is the problem.
Since I KNOW the earth doesn’t spin, it has to be the celestial bodies in the sky moving. It makes more sense on a flat earth model with the sun and moon running a circuit over the circle of the earth. At a certain point their paths will always cross. This time their alignment will blot out the sun.
No proof of a spinning earth exists. Science cannot and has not been able to prove any movement to it. Math and models don’t match reality.
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Wow. Another post full of very obvious lies. Geostationary satellites (such as those for satellite TV and GPS), are at 22,300 miles up and rotate with the earth. Stop creating storybooks about flat earth and a geocentric universe.
Absolutely idiotic! You are numbing the minds of less intelligent individuals, and the ability of your own brain is highly suspect.
Or you are purposely doing this to gain some sort of sick notoriety to puff up your self esteem. Shame on you. All you are doing is making a laughing stock of yourself.
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HE LoN. If it is “geo stationairy” then how can we see the ISS at different points around the world..it’s synched to one orbit around your made up ball theory?….and does not move relative to the spin of Earth!…or the spin of our collective indoctrination
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I was one of a team of three royal signals soldiers who provided the long haul comms link from South Georgia back to the Falkland Islands. While I was on the island at no stage were we provided with a satelitte uplink.
I did ask why on my handover takeover but was never given a definitive answer as to why.
Every night we used to lose comms for approximately 10 hours and could only communicate using morse code.
If satellites existed in space we would have had access to them and we didn’t and we were also not given a reason why, even though mainland squadrons were happily using their horn antennas/satellite dish.!
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poolman,
The only thing anyone needs to watch is the actual eclipse when it will be visible to massive numbers of Americans. Then think back to how its timing and locations were predicted. That will be the important evidence, that science can and did indeed figure this all out well in advance of most of us hearing anything about any 2017 eclipse.
Where is the independant FE prediction for an eclipse of any kind, anywhere?
Reality – look as it unfolds as predicted.
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Signs in the heavens have always been predictable. Ancient civilizations could predict eclipses. They even made an analog computer to keep track:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
They all knew the earth was immovable. They built structures to mark celestial signs and seasons, often aligning them with the clusters of stars overhead. The heavenly bodies move above us like a giant clock, so – predictable.
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poolman,
1. Avoidance – the topic was “FE predictions” – fail.
2. Generalization – the topic wasn’t all apparent movement seen in the sky – fail.
3. Conjecture of truth w/o evidence – what specific evidence supports “predict eclipses”, or what their “knowledge” of an immovable earth was or wasn’t? – fail.
Making stuff up is OK for telling a story, not for evidence of anything.
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The ‘fail’ is your inability to admit defeat.
How many civilizations before ours believed the globe lie?
Since avoidance is YOUR tact, I will not hold my breath awaiting your answer. That answer is they were ALL flat earthers. And they could predict eclipses. The evidence is in their artifacts. Tangible. Real. And very old.
So we will watch the skies just like the ancient civilizations did and see the same moon and sun and stars they did. The SAME ones. The moon’s shadow will travel from west to east across our land and your gods of science cannot explain why it travels opposite the spin they have told us we experience, though there is no spin.
No spin. No movement. No globe. The earth is motionless and still and you cannot prove otherwise. FAIL
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poolman,
To keep this reply basic, I’ll just pick one item to discuss: #3.
Please point out any specific evidence you have for the Antikythera predicting eclipses; preferably quoting some reliable source.
Then, show any evidence that they (who are “they” again, specifically) were ALL flat earthers; hopefully in a time frame matching the Antikythera estimated age (or era).
Needless to say, neither you nor I can be trusted to be truthful with just our own words, so references are the key.
I sincerely hope this is basic enough for a reply with details on these topics.
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A reliable source? How about one of your sciency ones…
“More than 2,000 years before the Great American Solar Eclipse, which will darken the skies over the U.S. on Aug. 21, astronomers in ancient Greece developed their own “supercomputer” to predict eclipses just like this one.”
“In 2014, scientists reported in the journal PLOS ONE that they had deciphered the dial and algorithm used to predict eclipses. It turned out that a four-turn spiral revealed eclipses using specific glyphs to denote the time and type of eclipse. Lunar eclipses, for instance, were denoted by the glyph for Σ, which was short for the moon goddess ΕΛΗΝΗ (Selene), while solar eclipses were denoted by H, which is short for the sun god ΗΛΙΟΣ (Helios). (The English word “eclipse” comes from the Greek word “ekleipsis,” meaning abandonment, because the ancients believed the sun was literally abandoning the Earth during that time.)
What’s more, the Greek computer was surprisingly sophisticated. The Antikythera mechanism could not only predict the timing of eclipses but also reveal characteristics of those eclipses, such as the amount of obscuration, the angular diameter of the moon (which is the angle covered by the diameter of the full moon) and the position of the moon at the time of the eclipse, the study found.”
https://www.livescience.com/60144-antikythera-computer-predicted-eclipses.html
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poolman,
I want to thank you very much for providing this bountiful resource on ancient (and current) eclipse events and predictions. The scientific information from that distant time is impressive, to say the least.
The link provided takes one into a world of related science publications, with data, theory, and reasoning why and how the mathematics is used. Brilliant.
Of specific interest was the Saros cycle, and related sun, moon, and earth positions.The PLOS paper had many supporting information links, one of which (Note S1: Eclipses & Predictions) focused on a very important part of the story.
In a nutshell, it focused on the moon’s orbit around the earth, and an eclipse year, where the sun was positioned in the same relative position (node point) based on the earth’s orbit. The other factor was syzygy, an alignment of the three bodies in a single line; needed for an eclipse to be possible.
I knew faith in references and science was well placed. However, no FE mention in all of these resources, so far.
Thanks again for sharing and enlightening all of us.
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“However, no FE mention in all of these resources, so far.”
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poolman,
The only useful word on this picture is “suggests”, which is not a form of evidence worth concluding anything. Also, no FE mention visible.
Have you checked out the Saros cycle yet?
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I’d say you are avoiding the fact that a stationary plane and not a planet was the accepted theology for our dwelling place at the time. The earth was/is fixed and the objects in the sky did/do a circuit overhead. The Antikythera artifact itself is more than 2000 years old, and ‘suggests’ that its technology is much older. That means more stationary earth cultures. And here’s this…
“As an indication of exactly how good the Ptolemaic model is, modern planetariums are built using gears and motors that essentially reproduce the Ptolemaic model for the appearance of the sky as viewed from a stationary Earth. In the planetarium projector, motors and gears provide uniform motion of the heavenly bodies. One motor moves the planet projector around in a big circle, which in this case is the deferent, and another gear or motor takes the place of the epicycle.
While the fact that we base planetarium projectors on the Ptolemaic model of the universe that was developed almost 2,000 years ago may seem impressive, a better test of the model is how long the model was accepted by society. In this case, the Ptolemaic model was not seriously challenged for over 1,300 years.”
http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/EveningStar/Unit2/unit2_sub1.htm
So, unless you can show why the eclipse moves over ground west to east as is the subject of this thread or in some way you can direct us to that evidence we’re moving and sitting on a spinning ball, you are no longer ‘useful’ to me.
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poolman,
Reality and human observation have provided the evidence and proof that the eclipse did indeed travel from west to east, just as had been predicted by science. As you’ve helped all of us further learn, the ancients, including Greece, did use their own observations and math to decipher a pattern, and predict eclipses. They even built a very complex machine that by all accounts could mechanize the predictions. Wonderful science they had.
Now, at the same time, you also point out there were schools of thought about a geocentric earth, not a flat earth; which were believed to be true. If I’m correct, they theorized about epicycle patterns of movement, that could match their observations. In time, the greece and other ancient civilizations did switch over to heliocentric, as the evidence mounted for that theory. These changes were evident in some Greeks a few centuries BCE (Pythagoreans / Aristarchus of Samos / Seleucus of Seleucia).
It is not important nor relevant how a planetarium uses mechanical devices to perform their light shows, as they are just shows. No one actually thinks the universe is built out of gears and motors, much less physical epicycle devices; all it takes now id to consider occam’s razor, to banish those from possibilities.
One key point, is that there is no evidence you’ve provided that links FE to astronomical observations and calculations. Ostensibly, since they saw the same skies we do, and were primarily observant and keen mathematicians, they deduce or discovered the math of the sky. The PLOS reference you introduced takes that match and adds in the current scientific values of sun, moon, and earth motions; to produce current day predictions.
And today, we all saw the results. It would be a break-thru if there was some FE math, that relied upon FE motions and patterns, that could shed some light on these topics. We can wait for their publication or citation, as the case may be.
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As predicted before science, you mean.
I watched the eclipse today. From north Phoenix we saw about 2/3rds of the sun blotted out. [2/3rds is math]
It was up in the east sky and the ‘bite’ in the sun came from the left top (north). It peaked at 10:33 am. [more math] The ‘bite’ then moved to the right (south) and ‘off’ the sun as it continued to rise in the sky almost directly overhead.
Our moonset tonight was at 7:17 pm located WNW 283 degrees
Last night it was at 6:33 pm located WNW 288 degrees [math again]
The sunset tonight was 7:06 pm located WNW 285 degrees
Last night it was 7:08 pm located WNW 285 degrees [more math]
Obviously the sun in its circuit overtook the moon while as it was making its move south in its circuit from east to west over the surface of the earth. The hare overtakes the tortoise. Again. Both will rise in the east tomorrow.
The sun first at 5:55 am located ENE 75 degrees.
The moon second at 6:49 am located E 79 degrees. [math again]
So, I tried, but I cannot get the ground shadow to travel in the direction it did after putting together the props you and your science masters suggest, FYA. Not only does the size of the shadow on the earth increase dramatically from what was experienced, but it also doesn’t work with the ‘bite’ direction I witnessed today in the sky.
The one way the direction part would work is if the moon was orbiting to the east faster than the earth was spinning to the east with our distant sun providing the light source.
But the shadow is still off, and the ‘bite’ I witnessed would start on the west or south west and move to the left.
It’s not like we got an earth cam. Maybe it’s closer to this…
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Why do eclipse tracks move eastward?
Because the moon moves to the east in its orbit at about 3,400 kilometres an hour. Earth rotates to the east at 1,670 km/hr at the equator, so the lunar shadow moves to the east 3,400 – 1,670 = 1,730 near the equator.
You cannot keep up with the shadow of the eclipse unless you travel at Mach 1.5.
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Man, you’ve drank some heavy ass kool-aid to just beLIEve astro science is factual without question. Good Parrot. Good Parrot.
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If your “proof” is NASA or any NASA related science.
your at the wrong site LoN.
YOu must be able to do your own research
and think your own thoughts
not just parroting from your programmers please
thank you.
THE MANAGEMENT
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