# A \$1000 FE Challenge

## So, How Can There Be Time Zones?

Contestant comments will be published as long as they are civil, respectful and on topic.

Here is how HelioHead Scientism Explains it away

## Have You Ever Wondered…

• Why do we have different time zones?
• How long does it take the Earth to make one full rotation on its axis?
• What is the prime meridian?

Earth spins on an imaginary pole called its axis. Every 24 hours, the Earth makes a complete rotation — or one full turn — on its axis. We call each full turn a day.

#### failure to mention speed of 1,000 mph rotation!

Imagine shining a flashlight at a globe. Only part of the globe would receive light, while the opposite side of the globe would be dark. As Earth rotates, different parts of Earth receive sunlight or darkness, giving us day and night.

### what about the spinning ball at 1,000 mph guys?

As your location on Earth rotates into sunlight, you see the Sun rise. When your location rotates out of sunlight, you see the Sun set.

If we had one single time zone for Earth, noon would be the middle of the day in some places, but it would be morning, evening, and the middle of the night in others. Since different parts of Earth enter and exit daylight at different times, we need different time zones.

### Either one or the other,  it spins 1,000 mph and would only be noon for 1/1000 of an hour, or it only spins at 24 mph, making the helio model correct. Which is it guys?

In the late 1800s, a group of scientists figured out a way to divide the world into different time zones. In order to build the time zone map, they studied Earth’s movements

### Apparently they didn’t study basic math!

As Earth rotates on its axis, it moves about 15 degrees every 60 minutes. After 24 hours, it has completed a full circle rotation of 360 degrees.

### At 1,000 mph ???

The scientists used this information to divide the planet into 24 sections or time zones. Each time zone is 15 degrees of longitude wide.

Distance between the zones is greatest at the equator and shrinks to zero at the poles, due to the curvature of Earth. Since the equator is approximately 24,902 miles long, the distance between time zones at the equator is approximately 1,038 miles.

## Answer to the \$1000 FE Challenge

### Time zones work perfect on Flat Earth Model!

The imaginary dividing lines begin at Greenwich, a suburb of London. The primary dividing line of longitude is called the prime meridian. Longitude is the angular distance between a point on any meridian and the prime meridian at Greenwich.

The time at Greenwich is called Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). As you move west from Greenwich, every 15-degree section or time zone is an hour earlier than GMT, while each time zone to the east is an hour later.

## 45 thoughts on “A \$1000 FE Challenge”

1. truthfarmer April 21, 2016 at 4:04 pm Reply

It has nothing to do with the curvature or lack of curvature of the earth, but with travel and negotiating the arrival and departure and location times of trains initially and air travel later. It’s really about logistics and not about the globe. In the 1800’s there were local times that were 6 minutes off of each other, so that caused chaos with scheduling.

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• jwlpeace April 21, 2016 at 4:51 pm Reply

Truthfarmer,
I’m not understanding your comment. I’m only referring to the Helioheads “physics” of time zones and earth spin, not curvature of earth. My point is that the only way time zones work is if the Sun is circling overhead on a flat plane, not on a rapidly (what’s a 1,000 mph anyway?) ball, thats all. Simple, elegant and completely destroying the heliocentric model with one thought example.

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• truthfarmer April 21, 2016 at 7:39 pm

Got ya. I thought the question was about the standardization and assignment of time zones alone.

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• jwlpeace April 21, 2016 at 8:48 pm

So basic and one of the simplest examples to completely disprove Heliohead Theory

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2. dgaubatz313 April 21, 2016 at 6:16 pm Reply

I always wondered how it is possible someone south of where i live is a hour behind. I understand how someone west of me could be an hour behind before sunset, but not south.

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3. jwlpeace April 21, 2016 at 6:36 pm Reply

respectfully, you’re missing the simplicity of how stupid heliocentric theory is. if we are spinning West to East (why do they call it Sunrise?). how can we be spinning at 1000 mph and still have 24 time zone changes? Makes ZERO sense. ITSFLAT

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• dgaubatz313 April 21, 2016 at 6:52 pm Reply

It makes sense by observing the sun in those locations, but note in the heliocentric model.

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• dgaubatz313 April 21, 2016 at 6:53 pm

not.

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4. Barry Mollett April 21, 2016 at 8:47 pm Reply

Flat or sphere doesnt make a difference. Some place will be in sunlight eg 12 noon and simultaneously on the other side of the Earh will be 12 midnight . Easily evidenced by telephoning some one in another timezone and asking their local time

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• jwlpeace April 21, 2016 at 8:53 pm Reply

Helioheads say we are spinning at 1,000 mph and there are 24 hours in a day.. can you do the math for me and show me the how 24 times zones work. My calculation means each zone would have 1,000 mph divided 24 times and get .024 hours in each time zone.. Get it? The math simply does not add up or make any sense. you have to erase the brainwashing first to see the simplicity in the fraud, you must account for the Helio Spin…get it?

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5. history April 21, 2016 at 9:51 pm Reply

First of all, the 1000mph figure (actually 1040.385mph) is at the Equator only. Basic math: 24,901 miles divided by 23 hours, 56minutes, 4seconds (or 23.9344 hours).

So let’s say you are standing at the Equator. Every day there is a single moment when the sun is directly overhead. That is called solar noon.

Now let’s say you are standing there at solar noon and someone from the government comes around and says “it’s daylight saving time! everyone move your clock ahead one hour!” And so you adjust your watch. Does this magically move the sun or cause solar noon to happen any sooner or later? Of course not.

(Side note: until the 1960s Saudi Arabia used solar time exclusively. Noon on a clock was the same as solar noon in Mecca. Clocks had to be adjusted every day.)

Now let’s look at the Pacific time zone in the US. Las Vegas and San Francisco are in the same time zone, even though Las Vegas is more that 400 miles WSW of San Francisco. Obviously solar noon is going to happen at different times in Las Vegas and San Francisco, but 12:00noon in the Pacific time zone does happen at same time. Solar time is a function of natural cycles, while the time on your watch is a human construct that does not necessarily exactly match where the sun is in the sky.

The time zone lines were drawn by governments. They didn’t divide each time zone into 1040 subzones, each with their own time, because that would obviously be impractical. It would be one time in San Francisco and another, slightly different, time in Sacramento. That is obviously impractical.

So, your objection that noon would have to be 1/1000th of an hour is obviated. Solar noon occurs that instant that the Sun is at the highest point in the sky, and that instant differs depending on your westness or eastness. Clock noon happens when your watch says 12:00pm, and only differs when you cross a (human-defined) time zone.

I don’t really think your \$1000 challenge is an honest one. A real challenge would spell out specific terms detailing how one would qualify to receive the prize, and in the interest of fairness, the judge ought to be a neutral party judging based on the aforementioned terms – not the person offering the reward based on whatever terms he wants. Even more fair would be to have the money held in a neutral escrow – afterall, how is one supposed to know that the challenger actually has the funds?

It is also contradictory to ask that all comments be “civil, respectful” and then on the very next line to call your challengees names. Again, it points to the challenge not being an honest one.

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• jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 1:50 am Reply

he’s baaaaaaaaaaaaack… a simple answer will do. HOW CAN IT SPIN AT 1000 MPH AND HAVE 24 TIME ZONES?
use your words history to answer the question straightfoward, not deflect, with an ad hominen, then a factoid, THEN tell me i have to provide rules, et, al….then ….blah, blah, blah…

ANSWER THE QUESTION. YOU CAN’T! This is the simplest proof that HElio Man is Dead.

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• history April 22, 2016 at 2:17 am

My answer was straightforward. I did not deflect anything. I did not engage in ad hominem (like you did and always do). Anyone reading this thread can see that that is the case.

Once again since you seem to have missed it:

Circumference of Earth at the Equator: 24,091 miles.
Rotational speed at the Equator: approximately 1000 miles per hour

24,091 divided by 1000 equals 24.091, i.e. it takes 24 hours for the Earth to make one complete rotation. To put it another way, a single point on the Equator travels about 1000 miles in one hour, and 24,000 miles in 24 hours.

The Equator is a circle which is typically represented as 360 degrees. If you divide 360 by 24, you get 15, so a single time zone should be about 15 degrees of longitude wide. And 15 degrees of longitude at the Equator is… 1000 miles.

Your math is incorrect. You seem to be dividing 24,000 miles by 1000 miles per hour to arrive at 24 miles per hour. Anyone can see that is incorrect. 24,000 miles divided by 1000 miles per hour results in 24 hours – and matches the 24 times zones around the world, each of them made to fit an approximate 15 degrees of longitude.

I have answered your challenge, and as usual I was not disrespectful in the least. Saying that you are wrong is not disrespectful – we are, afterall, talking about who is right and who is wrong.

Since there is no neutral arbiter to adjudicate this challenge or any stated rules, I am guessing you will respond with yet more ad hominem attack, and of course you will not be remitting the \$1000. Again, anyone reading the thread can see who is right and who is wrong here. 24,000 miles divided by 1000 miles per hour is 24 hours, not 24 miles per hour. Very straightforward, honest, respectful, and correct.

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• history April 22, 2016 at 5:16 am

I have pointed out how jwlpeace’s math is incorrect. Can anyone point out if my math is incorrect? I’m just talking about math. If my math is correct, I believe I deserve the prize. Is my math incorrect? And a I right about jwlpeace’s math?

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• dgaubatz313 April 22, 2016 at 5:39 pm Reply

It would make sense to have some time zones, but 24 time zones is too much and doesn’t make sense.

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• dgaubatz313 April 22, 2016 at 5:57 pm

WTF was i thinking. History i believe is correct. The time zones do make sense in the globe model. Using time zones to prove flat Earth or disprove the globe imo is weak when there is better things to prove flat Earth or disprove the globe. I’m a flat Earther and i believe history is correct.

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6. MIke Gauthier April 21, 2016 at 9:52 pm Reply

Just a minor correction. Taken in isolation, the Earth is said to make one full rotation on its own axis in 23h56m (in relation to the background stars). This is called a Sidereal day. It faces the Sun every 24 hours exactly, this is called a Solar day. If it rotated once on itself every 24 hours, then after six months noon would be in the middle of the night.

All that being said, our Earth is flat and motionless and the Sun circles above it every 24 hours, while the stars circle above it every 23h56m..

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7. Bino April 22, 2016 at 12:17 am Reply

Has any Flatty come up with size, distance, speed of sun? Seems like something we can figure out…Maybe lol it does seem absurd that its going 1000 mph but then how big is earth (or its circuit),,,but if its far up there (obviously not even close to 93 mil LOL) then it doesnt need to move as fast , which would match our senses

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• history April 22, 2016 at 2:25 am Reply

It’s a bit rude to go into someone else’s house and start calling them names. This is an FE blog inhabited mostly by FE theorists, not “Flatty”s. I have found that FE theorists are unable to discuss the subject without calling people names, and it says a lot about how honest they are about their theories. There’s no reason for critics of FE theory to sink to that level, since FE theory is clearly wrong – every single point made in defense of FE is easily demolished. So why call them names?

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• jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 2:41 am

History you can’t answer the question and so bye, bye, bye, your a shill.

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• truthfarmer April 22, 2016 at 4:38 am

history, you can’t prove the curve, so it isn’t that “every” contention made in FE is proven wrong.”Our eyes are too small” and “You can’t get up high enough to see it” are totally farcical answers. You also must know that NASA lies and every pic and most of the information promulgated by the current heliocentric promotion machine is largely funded by the film studio agency that faked moon landings, so the information offered up has to be -at the very least- questionable. So please, don’t act smug. There is a lot that isn’t answered, and a lot that has nothing even approaching logical answers offered by the helio view.

I’d also say that while you provided information, it doesn’t actually answer the question in the heliocentric model. But time, in terms of hours, minutes and seconds, is actually a man made construct, that is really useful for scheduling things, but the flora and fauna of creation don’t pay any attention to it outside of man.

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• history April 22, 2016 at 5:10 am

truthfarmer, Thanks for at least trying to engage me. jwlpeace has chosen to remove my last two responses where I point out his mathematical error. As I pointed out, the contest is not fair. Despite remaining 100% civil and also making my point using only math, my posts were removed. The blog posts says “Contestant comments will be published as long as they are civil, respectful and on topic.” All of my comments met those criteria, yet they were removed. I can’t honestly address your points if my posts are being removed.

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• Bino April 22, 2016 at 5:54 am

I’m a flatty so save your indignation, tired of typing out the whole thing

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8. Matt April 22, 2016 at 2:52 am Reply

I’m a flat earthed, but I’m just not taking this one as a proof as much as others. I definitely know where you’re coming from but I thinkmthis one, they even understand that its just as close as we can get without complicating things and staying on the same minute everywhere, while just changing the hour. Maybe I’m m is understanding your math but I haven’t had my coffee yet, lol.

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9. Fishans April 22, 2016 at 7:04 am Reply

I’m still struggling with unlearning, relearning and generally trying to rearrange over 50 years of “stuff” to come to an understanding of the truth re flat earth, which I believe belief in answers many questions I have had.

However re the math of speed and circumference of a global earth, it seems it only works at the equator if one takes for arguments sake 24000 miles rotating at 1000mph. You wouldn’t feel the speed much at the equator, but the closer to the “poles” you get the faster the rotation until standing on the pole one would be spinning at 1000mph.

Maybe I also need to get my first cup of coffee before giving this too much thought.

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10. Sraddha Nanda April 22, 2016 at 12:20 pm Reply

I never realised that people could be so deranged. Schoolboy howler math and astronomy. You flat earthers need help.

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• jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 3:39 pm Reply

Sir, How do time zones work at the poles if we are on a sphere using basic math skills???
thanx for your intelligent response in advance.

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11. Ben April 22, 2016 at 4:48 pm Reply

I’m personally leaning toward the flat earth model, but you’re math is horribly wrong on this one. And it’s not college-level math meant to confuse anybody, it’s a simple unit-multiplier problem, and you are putting the units in the wrong place. You said, “1,000 mph divided 24 times and get .024 hours in each time zone..” Well that’s write that out:

(1000 miles / hour) / 24 hours = 41.67 (miles/hour^2) which is a unit that doesn’t even make sense.

The only way to get .024 is to take 24 / 1000. The units would work out like this: 24 hours / (1000 miles / hour) = (.024 hours^2 / mile). That’s another unit that doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t come out to .024 HOURS.

The way the math DOES work is by saying (1000 miles / hour) * 24 hours = 24,000 miles (the hours cancel out – simple unit multiplier problem), which does work on the heliocentric model. Let’s say it like this, 1000 mph means the earth spins 1000 miles every hour. Multiply that by 24 hours, and you get 24,000 miles. After 24 hours of spinning, you’re back at the spot you began. This makes it no surprise then that time zones change roughly every 1,000 miles.

Again, I’m not advocating heliocentrism, I’m just saying your math is faulty, and your point null. I want flat earth to come out on top, but not with elementary mathematical mistakes like this.

Does this mean I get \$1000?

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• jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 5:22 pm Reply

how do you calculate mph on a spinning ball? miles X rate of change in one hour. You can calculate it both ways 24,000 mile circumference / 24 hours, yet you leave out the rate of change or 24,000/. See “Answer to FE challenge” plz. onward

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• Ben April 22, 2016 at 6:46 pm

mph IS a rate of change. You calculate miles PER hour which is miles divided by hours. You don’t multiply miles by rate of change. That would give you miles squared per hour. This is middle school math.

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12. jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 6:57 pm Reply

So…what time is it at the North Pole when spinning 1,000 mph?
this is my point, even if my math skills are primary or in error to the subject?
(You can use all the standard deviation models, calculus and trig. you wish, hee, hee:)

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• Ben April 22, 2016 at 7:09 pm Reply

Gloabalists don’t suggest that the pole is spinning 1000 mph. The equator is. The closer you get to a pole the slower the spin is. Now I have a question for you: on the flat earth, what time is it at the North Pole? You have the same problem!

So you’re willing to admit that your math was wrong and yet not concede the point to those who called out your error? The premise of your question was mathematical and your math was wrong. Therefore, your point is null. By the way, I’m a flat earther like you, but I’ve discovered a lot of things recently that flat earthers use as proof that actually isn’t proof at all. I want the truth just as bad as you but I’m not going to throw out common sense and hard numbers to get it.

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• jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 7:44 pm

i’m a not saying my math is wrong at all, a different way to calculate the exact same question is what I am referring. you can calculate either way. My whole point is the math obscures the fact that a globe ball is impossible with time zones at the poles and only works if the axis of rotation (spin doctor) is different at the poles than in the middle. don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater plz.

It’s the math, and interpretation of what is being calculated, that gets us all messed up in the simplicity, and elegance of the FE grand design.

Example, When does one plus one never equal two?

A: When two people have a baby, it never, ever equals two! you might say it is a crude example, but basics is and foundations of our brain entrainment is what I am speaking to here.

If you find other flaws in other research, please note it for me, i want accuracy and validation as much, if not more than most….and for sheeple to think for themselves.

On this site alone i have 406 posts and 56 on my you tube, love to see any of your work as well on fE.

Peace.

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13. jwlpeace April 22, 2016 at 7:13 pm Reply

So a Gloablist, who supports the globalist agenda?, is saying it is not spinning at 1,000 mph at the poles? What speed is it and how do time zones work at the poles and subsequent speeds and time zones on the latitudes measure speed,
How can a axis spin at 1,000 mph hour and not be the same mph pole to pole?
Just Wandering.

i’ll get to your question next, thanx.

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• dgaubatz313 April 23, 2016 at 1:25 am Reply

So your saying the 24 time zones only works on the equator… now i get what your on about. In one of my above post i don’t know why because i know they say 1,000 mph but in my head i was thinking 2,000 mph so i was thinking there should be 12 time zones lol i feel stupid. It’s like when your hooking stuff up and wondering why it isn’t working so you try a bunch of different things and in the end realize something wasn’t plugged in. I still think your wrong though and the time zones will still work with the globe model because above and below the equator and the farther away from the equator you go the circumference of the globe is smaller so even though it’s spinning slower it doesn’t matter because the circumference of the Earth is a lot smaller at the poles. Each hour/each time zone wouldn’t have to spin as much distance because it’s smaller. The question is what is the circumference of the Earth at the poles. When i ask google what the circumference is at the poles so i can try the math all i get is the circumference of the equator to pop up on the first page.

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• Ben April 23, 2016 at 3:48 am Reply

Think about this: if you were working swing a giant rock attached to a really long rope around your head, the speed of the rock would be much greater than the speed of your arm swinging the rock around. At the inside of any rotating body, the speed is always less and this would be true for the globe. This even applies on the flat earth… If the stars are rotating around us, how fast are they going? Well, it depends on where you are looking. How fast is Polaris moving? Zero mph. How about the stars much lower on the horizon? Really really fast…see the difference?

There is not one proponent of the globe who thinks that the poles spin at 1000mph. Even the axis itself doesn’t have a speed, it just turns. They all only believe it spins that fast AT THE EQUATOR. It’s called angular velocity. Look it up.

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• truthfarmer April 23, 2016 at 1:24 pm

The point is that if there is any relation to the globe, with the approximate 15 degrees ascribed to the time zones, that time on the poles would be static because it is the “zero” point, or the point of convergence.

As to the 1,000 mph issue, I have seen it ascribed higher speeds than that at the equator. What I have never seen is a chart of any sort describing the approximate speed of rotation at various latitudes. Not saying it doesn’t exist, but one would think it would be part of the sales package. “How fast are you rotating in Dallas, Texas?”, in the fourth or fifth grade science book. If anyone has ever seen a chart or the math purported to reflect that slowing away from the equator, I would like to see it.

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• Ben April 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm

Yes, and it’s the same on the flat earth. At the center of FE, what time is it?!

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• jwlpeace April 23, 2016 at 5:12 pm

tell me where the Sun is Ben on FE model and time of year, I will tell you the time on a FE Model or just look at the modeling that has already been done by Rob Skiba, who shows it graphically and elegantly. you can look it up for yourself. thanx.

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14. truthfarmer April 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm Reply

I get your point. This might be perceived as a cop out, but I ascribe to Genesis, and don’t worry so much about hours and minutes in relation to creation. The Sun and the Moon are for days, weeks, months and years. While I definitely understand the need for standardized times for transportation, cooking, wage slavery, and other management constructs, creation doesn’t seem to bother itself with hours and minutes. I think we might have something to learn from that.

If it is of any importance, I don’t see this as being the clincher of flat versus globe. For me the biggest issues are NASA lies, there is no curve, water seeks level and doesn’t curve, no flights from either direction directly across Antarctica, and there is “an impenetrable glass ceiling” roughly 7200 miles up. I’m still working out some other things, but those are huge to me.

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• jwlpeace April 23, 2016 at 5:09 pm Reply

Either way that globeheads figure it, you cannot have 24 equal time zones on a sphere where the poles are, or if they are straight parallel lines, as in pics in the answer, it does not take into account a round ball model. Either way it doesn’t work, Genesis, bible, koran,etc…simple RBE b.s.
It’s so basic, few can “go there”, yet.

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• bluepilldreaming April 24, 2016 at 1:34 am Reply

TF it may not be a glass ceiling.
What about water held as an electrostatic dome?
Dome shaped hyper surface tension of water?

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• truthfarmer April 24, 2016 at 2:23 am

Hey BPD, I’m just putting in quotes what the Boulder discovery and the one from England said. I can see a great many philosophical allegories in the father and son. Lots of them with a serious religious bint. Also great similarities to Tesla’s work and statements.
I just don’t know. Something is there (up in the atmosphere) and that something is preventing us from exiting our plane. We have a prescribed boundary that is not for our detriment, but for our benefit. I know this isn’t a site for religious ideology, but the entire FE makes the Creator so integral to everything that seekers of truth can’t ignore it.
You might find this interesting. They deleted my rather innocuous comment, but it is still intriguing, despite the censorship:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227126-neil-degrasse-tyson-says-its-very-likely-the-universe-is-a-simulation

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15. grs April 24, 2016 at 1:08 am Reply

Here’s a question. If the earth is tilted at 23.5 degrees to the sun, then why are the time zones not also tilted at 23.5 degrees, as the sun’s light should be hitting the earth 23.5 degrees off its center axis. Like this:

But the time zones run parallel to the axis. WTF!?!?!?

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16. jwlpeace April 24, 2016 at 1:13 am Reply

ah, some are starting to get it.
how can lines be longitudinally parallel on a globe earth if it is sphere and sun is in an elliptical orbit? Think a slice of an orange. At the top and bottom, the slices are less wide than at the middle, so how can it be different on a round ball globe??

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