Zen Gardner Responds To Flat Earth Call Out

On Wall Street, the reasons that a Bull and a Bear are used is due to the way they attack.

A Bear will claw downwards, hence the Bear Markets, and a Bull will charge Upward, hence the Bull markets.

A couple days ago I challenged my colleagues in the Alt. News business to essentially come out of their closets and speak to Flat Earth Theory that most have avoided now for over a year.

After sending out personal letters to over 30 sites, our first, so far only response, came in from our good friends at Zen Gardner. Though it was not an endorsement, or even an encouragement to continue to explore all Flat Earth research and investigation, at least it was A RESPONSE, from our Alt News brethren, so I am grateful.

Any commentary would be helpful on their site as well.  The main point is we are not giving away our power and feeding the ‘dark energy vampires’, on contraire, we are shining light into the darkest of caverns, so the beings that wish to destroy can no longer stay hidden and occulted.


(please not the image used in Zen’s piece is of a Flat Earth!!)

The Dangerous Mind – Flat Earth Fundamentalism and the Archon Agenda

by Zen Gardner

This article is not about whether the earth is flat, round or something else, but about the rabid dogmatism, intolerance and religiosity that has apparently taken hold with the more staunch adherents to this new perspective and to put it in a clearer context.

Flat earth or whatever theory that somehow brings unnecessary contention and division is an indicator of something we’re seeing throughout the information field, and such lower level forcing of assertions have been a source of infection in many arenas for generations – some obvious and some not so obvious, but the symptoms are the same.

Because something is perhaps true or not true does not make any of us an unquestionable source of anything. We’re here to each wake up individually, and no form of forced persuasion, threats or bludgeoning will change our minds.

That’s the beauty of the human spirit and our eternal consciousness.

How Do We Fall Into These Traps?

The following might help explain a lot of things to a lot of people. The overarching question of how segments of humanity can fall for lies and deceit of any type is an intriguing one. More importantly, how can agendas be carried out by so many lemming like sycophants of the clearly illuminist empire to the obvious degradation of humankind?

 The answer may surprise you.

I’m not trying to imply this latest flat earth investigation is wrong, as it’s important information that needs processing and a wonderful world of discovery. The point is so many play into mechanisms they may not be fully aware of.

Behold the Predator – “They Gave Us Their Mind”

They, those outside our playing field, work through the mind. What we think are rational processes are not always what they seem. Minds can be tricked, and very easily, contrary to what your self-reinforcing mind might tell you. That’s why it’s important to not play in their arena; they’re smarter than us on a certain level, a level we don’t belong in and should shirk.

And it all has to do with the mind.

This quotation from Don Juan Matus alludes to this aspect of which we all should be well aware:

“We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master.

It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don’t do so… Indeed we are held prisoner!

They took us over because we are food to them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance.

Sorcerers believe the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil: our social mores. They are the ones who set up our dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice.

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged a stupendous maneuver—stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind.

The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with fear of being discovered any minute now.

Sorcerers of ancient Mexico reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man.

What I am saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless.

Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He’s an average piece of meat…”

–don Juan Matus in Castaneda’s  “Active Side of Infinity” [Emphasis mine]

How Do We Differentiate?

This is the human dilemma. We’re born into these physical body-minds with an immediate challenge. We are not greeted from the outset as being spiritual or super sentient and innately awakened beings as we should. Instead we are neglected, abandoned and ultimately abused. And so begins the treadmill of denial, fighting to gain acceptance, and a life of involuntary co-dependence and servitude.


11 thoughts on “Zen Gardner Responds To Flat Earth Call Out

  1. Bobby February 16, 2016 at 6:30 pm Reply

    Zen is fantastic, he is a master of the written word. Stringing words together into a rope of truth isn’t easy, yet this man does it so easily and with a pictorial aplomb that puts the rest of us to shame.
    He is right of course, the belligerent attitude of some truthers is combatant to say the least. We are all free to consider our own reality and do what is right for us. None of us are the same; nor are we on the same road as our brother. We are here to experience our own path and make of it what we will. We interact and discuss, take a sip and pass along our way, let us do it in friendship and with respect for each opinion. The alternative is to keep our thoughts to ourselves, and where would be then? Alone and facing the enemy without a friend.
    Searching for the truth in a massive mountain of lies is a tremendous challenge, finding that one grain of truth, however elusive, is magical.
    Maybe the most important thing to remember is that we know nothing, this is not our fault, but it is our problem. We have been betrayed and abused, we relied on our owners far too much, for far too long.
    Our work should be together, to seek and find in friendship and honesty. Exchange information, offer results of our research and new ideas, and with great respect.
    For ever we have been told how things are, time that we decide for ourselves. It is not our job to convince anyone of anything. B


    • jwlpeace February 16, 2016 at 7:29 pm Reply

      I agree with you about Zen the wordsmith and all his fabulous efforts to enlighten and awaken, yet this effort I think pales of his much better work.

      Why did he not support and encourage investigation into FE Theory? Why all the negative “hardening of the arterires.” type language? What does he agree on FE Theory, where does he find Heliocentrism lagging in his own work? How can he throw NASa under the bus like he did with his preface in Jim Fetzer’s book “and I supposed they really went to the Moon” yet not give credit to further research into FE validations as well when such minds as Santos Bonacci and 5,000 years Cosmogony validates such research and investigation.
      …and he still hasn’t said what FE theories he is accordance with, and which he finds trouble with. that would of been helpful as well.


      • Bobby February 16, 2016 at 8:06 pm

        Most folk have an agenda of some sort, money, egotistical gratification, the adoration of peers and so on. It is rare to find only truth.
        Fear of ridicule is something that passes, as the years quicken their pace.
        There are many tempted by the glitter of this dimension. We are here to experience what it has to offer, and some cannot resist the sparkle.
        Strength of purpose and determination to do what is right is rare my friend, however eloquent the scribe. B


      • jwlpeace February 16, 2016 at 8:14 pm

        nicely said. agreed.
        We all need to police ourselves inwardly as to whether each of us is truly wanting to “go wherever the truth leads…” or protect our biased, inculcated beliefs and live subsistence concerns when such truth become burdensome and conflictual.


  2. Bobby February 16, 2016 at 8:23 pm Reply

    The truth will out, and the lies will fade with those that perpetuate them. Stay the course, things will only get more difficult as time passes. The rewards for future generations will be immeasurable. B


  3. jwlpeace February 16, 2016 at 8:33 pm Reply

    can you imagine what the world would look like with such truths known and accepted today?

    We could have free energy, abundance of the healthiest food and live hundreds of years,, medical doctors/companies who get paid to keep you from getting sick, more credit for helping others and the environment than oneselves, Rights of Nature established and protected. No Debt! No Hunger. Little Misery and MUCH LOVE.

    Givers and Takers in regenerational balance with the Leavers. hmmm.

    What a wonderful world this will be…. a common unity of Community. We must also dream of and Tell-our-vision while turning off the Television so that others can imagine, envision and then create our true destiny, fate and purpose of all this existence, experience, pain and suffering that has existed since Man.

    I feel the new seeds are just being planted into the rotting, dying corpse of corporate command and control composting, We bring time, light and acceptance to the death of one culture so that another may emerge and in the acceptance understanding our collective and individual roles in this many Act play called “Life”


  4. Bobby February 16, 2016 at 8:39 pm Reply

    We have a dream! B


  5. Bobby February 16, 2016 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Have you noticed how many folk will accept one hypothesis and refute another? They refuse to even look at a subject due to their belief system.
    Yeah I am a Christian but the flat earth? That was just an analogy.
    I am a scientist, and we live on a ball because the books say so.
    I don’t trust a politician, but my doctor is great. Get the flu shot.
    Banks are a natural phenomenon, nothing is rigged.
    War defends our country and it’s interests from the bad guys. Who are the bad guys?
    We need to educate our youth, so we take out student loans.
    A home two cars and two and a half children is the dream that we work towards, whilst we salute the flag and sing the anthem.
    Everything has been a lie, forever. Nothing has been the truth. B


  6. Vic Button February 19, 2016 at 12:11 am Reply

    The beauty of us flat Earther’s is that we are all experts. We no longer have to rely on people like Zen Gardner, David Icke etc, ect, anymore.


  7. Bobby March 7, 2016 at 3:46 pm Reply

    Hey, got this link in my box today!! http://fktv.is/the-flat-earth-update-27585.. I left a comment. B


  8. Vic Button March 14, 2016 at 1:04 pm Reply

    For the overall picture as I see it, please Google search: beyondtheflatearth 2016 – when you realize everything is a lie, there is no going back – not spreading the flat Earth message is NOT an option.


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