How Do Eclipses Occur When Sun and Moon Are Overhead?

“According to the globular theory, a lunar eclipse occurs when the sun, earth, and moon are in a direct line; but it is on record that since about the fifteenth century over fifty eclipses have occurred while both sun and moon have been visible above the horizon.” -F.H. Cook, “The Terrestrial Plane”


The sun and moon appear the same size in Earth’s sky because the sun’s diameter is about 400 times greater – but the sun is also about 400 times farther away.

(As told/sold by global earth theorists…what are the odds??? Also note how the Sun, Moon and Earth are never shown in their relative distances of 93 million miles away to a very tiny Earth and even smaller Moon.)

Photo Credit: NASA

The Sun we are told is blocked by the Moon so perfectly we can see the Sun’s Corona, yet how can this be when both the Sun and Moon are in the sky above at the exact same time as the Lunar eclipse??

“The Newtonian hypothesis involves the necessity of the Sun, in the case of a lunar eclipse, being on the opposite side of a globular earth, to cast its shadow on the Moon: but, since eclipses of the Moon have taken place with both the Sun and the Moon above the horizon, it follows that it cannot be the shadow of the Earth that eclipses the Moon, and that the theory is a blunder.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (57)


“That the eclipsor of the moon is a shadow at all is assumption–no proof whatever is offered. That the moon receives her light from the sun, and that therefore her surface is darkened by the earth intercepting the sun’s light, is not proved. It is not proved that the earth moves in an orbit round the sun, and therefore, by being in different positions, conjunction of sun, earth, and moon, ‘Day some-times occur.’

The contrary has been clearly proved–that the moon is not eclipsed by a shadow; that she is self-luminous, and not merely a reflector of solar light, and therefore could not possibly be obscured or eclipsed by a shadow from any object whatever; and that the earth is devoid of motion, either on axes or in an orbit through space.

Hence to call that an argument for the earth’s rotundity, where every necessary proposition is only assumed, and in relation to which direct and practical evidence to the contrary is abundant, is to stultify the judgment and every other reasoning faculty.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (301)

As early as the time of Pliny, there are records of lunar eclipses happening while both the Sun and Moon are visible in the sky. The Greenwich Royal Observatory recorded that “during the lunar eclipses of July 17th, 1590, November 3rd, 1648, June 16th, 1666, and May 26th, 1668 the moon rose eclipsed whilst the sun was still above the horizon.” McCulluch’s Geography recorded that “on September 20th, 1717 and April 20th, 1837 the moon appeared to rise eclipsed before the sun had set.”

Sir Henry Holland also noted in his “Recollections of Past Life” the April 20th, 1837 phenomena where “the moon rose eclipsed before the sun set.” The Daily Telegraph recorded it happening again on January 17th, 1870, then again in July of the same year, and it continues to happen during lunar eclipses to this day. Therefore the eclipsor of the Moon cannot be the Earth/Earth’s shadow and another explanation must be sought. Some olden days flat Earthers posited a third dark body, the same size as the Moon/Sun, and perhaps this passes affront the Moon during lunar eclipses? Could it even be the “mythic” Black Sun?  ~ Eric Dubay

Heliocentric’s Lame Explanation…It’s All a Mirage Folks

  “Is it possible to observe a lunar eclipse during daylight? Normally not.

During an eclipse the sun and the moon are pretty much exactly opposite. So if one is above the horizon, the other must be below the horizon. So both can not be visible at the same time. One could say the body of the earth blocks the view.

Only under very special circumstances can both object be visible when they are opposite to each other. At this time for example both touch the horizon at the same time. One rises when the other sets. Then comes our atmosphere. Refraction apparently lifts objects a bit higher. The more the closer the object is to the horizon. At the time of sunset the solar disk is lifted about 30arc minutes (about it’s own diameter). Also if one observes from a very high mountain the apparent horizon is somewhat lower as we observe a bit around the curvature of the earth.

These conditions came together on August 16 1989 when a lunar eclipse happened where the moon passes through the shadow cast into space by the earth. During the partial phase of the eclipse the moon was rising as seen from the top of Mauna Kea on the island of Hawaii. The mountain has an altitude of 4200m and give the impression of rather standing on the edge of the earth than on the surface.

The following images show the setting sun and the rising partially eclipsed moon. On the image showing the moon the sun light on the cloud tops can be seen. Also very impressive is the shadow of the mountain acting as a pointer to show the opposite direction of the setting sun.”


Mirages are INVERTED

“A thermal inversion forms over the lake, bending the line of sight from the camera to Chicago back down, and producing the inverted image, which is typical of mirages,” said Andrew T. Young, an astronomer at San Diego State University and a leading mirage expert.

16 thoughts on “How Do Eclipses Occur When Sun and Moon Are Overhead?

  1. Albino Galuppini October 31, 2015 at 9:06 am Reply
  2. Gavin November 30, 2015 at 9:02 am Reply

    As we know everything is in three’s hence the three pillars three candles in the freemasonic lodge one for the sun one for the moon and one for the black sun ! Yes the invisible sun which causes the eclipses…also the eclipses path fits the round flat earth map perfect ! Check out the next one over America forms a circle funny that it fits our flat round Pizza planet !


  3. sLez March 3, 2016 at 11:15 pm Reply

    The Greenwich Royal Observatory recorded that “during the lunar eclipses of July 17th, 1590, November 3rd, 1648, June 16th, 1666, and May 26th, 1668 the moon rose eclipsed whilst the sun was still above the horizon.

    Sounds like something someone made up. The Greenwich Royal Observatory didn’t exist until 1675.


    • history March 4, 2016 at 12:09 am Reply

      They’re also denying that atmospheric refraction exists… but who’s counting?


  4. badabum March 14, 2016 at 8:47 pm Reply

    after read sLeZ comment I went checked the Wiki and found that Greenwich Royal Observatory was commissioned in 1675. so who’s documented lunar esclipes that happened on 17th, 1590, November 3rd, 1648, June 16th, 1666, and May 26th, 1668 ? your fellow Flat Earther ? if the unseen black sun is the main reason. why we cant see its shadow in a normal day? because it’s invisible?’so why on lunar esclipes we can see its shadow? some sorcery doing? a Flat earth magician work?


  5. Daniel July 5, 2016 at 10:47 pm Reply

    Well, the sun and moon are visible at the same time during the so called Selenhelion Eclipse! Basic description of this phenomenon is available even in Wikipaedia!

    ” A selenelion or selenehelion occurs when both the Sun and the eclipsed Moon can be observed at the same time. This can happen only just before sunset or just after sunrise, and both bodies will appear just above the horizon at nearly opposite points in the sky. This arrangement has led to the phenomenon being referred to as a horizontal eclipse. There are typically a number of high ridges undergoing sunrise or sunset that can see it. Although the moon is in the Earth’s umbra, the Sun and the eclipsed Moon can both be seen at the same time because the refraction of light through the Earth’s atmosphere causes each of them to appear higher in the sky than their true geometric position”.

    What the Flat Earth eejits are not telling you is that both the sun and moon are not “overhead” but close to the horizon!

    I sincerely despair for the future of the human race.. 495 years after Magellan circumnavigated the world and proved that religious obscurantists are nothing but ignorant bigots, we still fight these same loonies!


    • AJ July 7, 2016 at 2:34 am Reply

      Daniel. It sounds to me, going by what you have written here, that you might very well be the type of person who’s not happy unless you are ‘fighting’ or insulting people.
      I’m grateful for you though…and to the moderator for allowing you to post here.


    • grs July 7, 2016 at 3:22 am Reply

      The sun and moon are visible at the same time frequently at sea level, not just on “a number of high ridges undergoing sunrise or sunset.” You may want to stop accepting what you’re told by the people you perceive as your superiors and truly look up at the sky for the first time in your life and think about what you see. “Selenhelion” sounds really cool though so maybe I’m wrong!


      • Bob August 24, 2016 at 7:59 pm

        grs – at the same time DURING A LUNAR ECLIPSE!


  6. doomsayer August 24, 2016 at 12:45 am Reply

    anyone see a black hole in the blue sky…looking almost straight up..early is faded out with a black spot with stars showing


  7. SG Today August 24, 2016 at 10:22 pm Reply

    I found a copy of Cook’s book online, and saw your quote of his on page 58. There was also a diagram of what he was describing. All I could tell from his diagram was that he wasn’t even showing a moon being eclipsed; it was fully lit by the sun,

    Based on his own publication, Cook just doesn’t seem to support the claim he makes, and therefore his work doesn’t support this post.


  8. Sani September 19, 2016 at 4:02 am Reply

    I live in Fiji and on Wed 14 Sep 2016 (last week) whilst on my way to work that morning, I witnessed in the sky an object looking like the full moon (big beautiful and silver) next to the brilliant sun (partially covered under cloud cover). But knowing that it is impossible to have a full moon right next to the sun in current heliocentric moon phase model – I noted this phenomena. I called different family members to go see this phenomena but not being interested, they only noted that the cloud cover hid everything and thus they saw nothing. That night I noted the ‘full’ moon in the sky.
    Next day on Thursday 15 Sep. again on my way to work that morning, I witnessed in the sky the same thing. A ‘full’ moon (big beautiful silver and serene) next to the sun (brilliant blinding gold disc) which was partially hidden by the clouds. The difference between the two objects being very prominent – the silver disc definitely in contrast to the blinding brilliant gold disk with sun rays emanating from it. This time my sister was with me and also witnessed this phenomena. She is a teacher and believes in the heliocentric earth model. She believed it was the moon and I reminded her that the moon set in the morning i.e. it not being the moon.
    I took pictures both days. Alas – you cannot make out the moon-like object as the suns rays are overpowering (even with the sun disk behind the clouds).


    • Emmanuel Perez April 11, 2021 at 2:56 pm Reply

      Sani, I read your comment, I’m intereses. Can we talk or text?


    • Debbie Paltridge May 27, 2021 at 1:46 am Reply

      Sani, the same thing happens here (New Zealand, central North Island), often. The last time was just over a week ago (April 2021), both sun and moon out during the day for 3 consecutive days, just as you described. Very strange to say the least. And also I have noticed the sun rising in a completely different place – where it shouldnt be (Mid March this year)- only happened 1 day….I even went online to see if anyone else had noticed this…I couldnt find anything, but a few weeks later I was listening to Charlie Ward, and said the exact same thing had happened to him, he is in Spain. Weird things happening in the heavens lately!


  9. Collard Angus August 21, 2017 at 12:32 am Reply

    One must be willing to accept the fact that everything we have ever been told is a lie, and then be able to throw away all your erronius beliefs in order to seek and re learn what we thought we knew. Not everyone is willing or able to do that. I started my quest when I looked up one day and realized they were spraying us. Globe Earth is a myth created centuries ago by the powers that be to control, demoralize the masses. I don’t try to convince anyone that the Earth is flat. People must come to the truth when they are ready. All anyone has to do is look up.


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