#2 Is the Earth a Sphere? The Great Rivers


Basic Geometry and a Round Sphere

The Global Earth theorists for 500 years have been telling us the Earth is a sphere. IF the earth is a globe, and is 25,000 English statute miles in circumference, the surface of all standing water must have a certain degree of convexity–every part must be an arc of a circle. From the summit of any such arc there will exist a curvature or declination of 8 inches in the first statute mile. In the second mile the fall will be 32 inches; in the third mile, 72 inches, or 6 feet, as shown in the following diagram:

Measurements are quite easy to determine the angles of curvature based on 360 degrees and the number of feet of change per number of miles along a curved path.  To determine how much the Earth falls away on the curve you take miles squared X eight inches. This is an inverse relationship so the farther one travels the greater the distance of feet or miles the Earth will fall away.

Let the distance from T to figure 1 represent 1 mile, and the fall from 1 to A, 8 inches; then the fall from 2 to B will be 32 inches, and from 3 to C, 72 inches. In every mile after the first, the curvature downwards from the point T increases as the square of the distance multiplied by 8 inches. The rule, however, requires to be modified after the first thousand miles. 1

Miles squared X 8 inches
one foot = .000189394 miles

Curvature of Earth
1 mile 5.33 ft.  or .12626 mile

10 miles 66.666 ft. or 1.2626 miles

100 miles 6,666.66 ft. or 12.626 miles

So the farther one travels the greater the drop (or rise) in distance.


The Great Rivers and Earths Curvature

Look at the above map of the greatest rivers in the world. Some flow North, some South, some Easterly and Westerly.  Some are below the Ecuador, above and near the Ecuador.

The longest rivers are thousands of miles in length. Many, like the Nile and the Missouri are in central valley plains and deserts with little or no elevations.

However, given the curvature of the Earth, larger rivers would have to follow the arc. If flowing towards the Equator or Poles, they would have to flow uphill, if flowing away, then downhill, sometimes both. Yet this most basic of physics must occur on a globular Earth, yet does not.



Whoever heard of a river in any part of its course flowing uphill? Yet this it would require to do were the Earth a Globe. Rivers, like the Mississippi, which flow from the North southwards towards the Equator, would need, according to Modem Astronomic theory, to run upwards, as the Earth at the Equator is said to bulge out considerably more, or, in other words, is higher than at any other part. Thus the Mississippi, in its immense course of over 3,000 miles, would have to ascend 11 miles before it reached the Gulf of Mexico!”  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (126)

The Mississippi River is one of the world’s major river systems in size, habitat diversity and biological productivity. It is the third longest river in North America, flowing 2,350 miles from its source at Lake Itasca through the center of the continental United States to the Gulf of Mexico.
At the headwaters of the Mississippi to the NW, the average surface speed of the water is near 1.2 miles per hour. Downstream at New Orleans the river flows 3 miles per hour on average. This is impossible on a ball where the river has to flow upwards towards the highest point at the Ecuador.

The Earth cannot be a sphere.


The Nile, longest river in the world, c.4,160 mi (6,695 km). The Nile flows northward and drains  about one tenth of Africa, including parts of Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, South Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania, and Congo (Kinshasa).

As you can see from the elevation chart the Nile runs in a desert basin. If half circumference of the Earth is 12,000, this means that the Nile would have to descend while traveling North some 16 miles, but it doesn’t.

The Earth cannot be a sphere.


The Flattest Place on Earth? No Curves Here.


The Sala de Uyuni Salt Flats

Salar de Uyuni (or Salar de Tunupa). It is located in southwest Bolivia, near the crest of the Andes and is at an elevation of 3,656 meters (11,995 ft) above mean sea level. Salar de Uyuni spreads over 10,582 square kilometers (4,086 sq mi), which is roughly 100 times the size of the Bonneville Salt Flats in the United States.

The Salar was formed as a result of transformations between several prehistoric lakes. It is covered by a few meters of salt crust, which has an extraordinary flatness with the average altitude variations within one meter (3 1/4 ft.) over the entire area of the Salar. With the use of modern GPS technology, it can now be proved that the Salar de Uyuni is not perfectly flat. New measurements revealed previously missed features resembling ridges, hills, and valleys only millimeters in height.

The salt flats are 100 miles long by 84 miles wide yet is near perfectly flat when it should have a drop of some 12 miles in length if the Earth was a sphere.

Which it doesn’t, so it cannot be a sphere.


“….We’ll Be Cruising at 30,000 ft. for the next 4 hours.”

Anyone that has traveled in a airplane experiences the same level flight path once cruising altitude is reached.

Rarely, except for storms or turbulence, will the pilot alter the cruising altitude no matter what direction being traveled.

If the Earth is curved and a plane is traveling any direction at 500 mph, the airplane would continually be having to be make a correction of 2,557 ft., or one-half mile each and every minute or the plane would continue on its level plane out into space.

To maintain a 30,000 ft. altitude around a round Earth, the airplane would have to be angled significantly lower than in the rear of the airplane to maintain a 30,000 foot relationship to the Earth’s curvature.

Yet this never, ever happens. When traveling in an airplane it is level form nose to stern.

This means that the Earth is not a globe but is a level piece of land.

36 thoughts on “#2 Is the Earth a Sphere? The Great Rivers

  1. Trevor March 22, 2015 at 12:41 am Reply

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. I’m giggling so hard at almost every sentence. Thanks for giving me a hearty chuckle.


  2. Ally Bee June 13, 2015 at 8:07 pm Reply

    not such a thing as a hearty chuckle, all he is pointing out is that the earth is flat.so stop trying to be clever trevor


  3. davidwillet July 18, 2015 at 7:02 am Reply

    I am actually really glad I found this site. It makes me think differently about the world around me- very interesting stuff! Thanks for putting this out there!


  4. NICK OLSON August 25, 2015 at 3:40 am Reply

    If the earth is not a sphere then the whole astrology argument goes down the drain. Not to mention solsitices, equinoxes, etc. The earth is not a spherical spinning top. “Astronomers” claim to divine what is happening, “billions and billions” of light years ago. Better they learn what is going on under their feet. Either that or get a pool route.
    If the earth is flat then shouldn’t the Sun and Moon also be flat?


    • jwlpeace August 25, 2015 at 2:37 pm Reply

      Why would the Sun and Moon have to be flat as well. The Moon could very well be a disc, like a frisbee. The lies are so monstrous, most have trouble comprehended how successful the programming has been. for more on this read here.


    • Amanda Kramer March 14, 2016 at 8:09 am Reply

      The sun and the moon circle overhead, here is a perfect depiction of it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52_PdZlSq8

      You can actually predict the paths and storms of hurricanes, and their intensity as they approach land. It explains why hurricanes spin counter clockwise in the northern hemipshere, and clockwise in the southern hemisphere. As the sun approach the southern hemisphere from the east, storms get tugged to the “right” or clockwise. As the sun approaches the north from the west, the sun pulls the winds “left” or counter-clockwise. It also completely pulls the storms into their arcs.

      Pull up hurricane katrina and look at that link i sent you, you can see Hurricane Katrina was completely predictable.


    • Alan Whitham November 2, 2016 at 10:37 pm Reply

      You still have equinoxes and solstices on the flat earth .


  5. David August 29, 2015 at 12:47 am Reply

    It would help the cause a lot if you got your maths right.
    You give the curvature at 1 mile as 5.33 ft or .12626 miles. Firstly the curvature at 1 miles is, as you state, only 8 inches. Secondly, 5.33ft is only .00100947 miles, not .12626.
    Then you correctly give the fall at 10 miles as 66.666 ft, which is .012626 miles. Your figure of 1.2626 is out by a factor of 100.
    Likewise, at 100 miles the fall is indeed 6666.66 ft, which is only 1.2626 miles, not 12,626
    as you give, which is out by a factor of 10. Very shoddy work.like this make it easy to rubbish the whole notion that that world might not be a globe.


  6. David August 29, 2015 at 12:58 am Reply

    As you state, the Bolivia salt flats are around 100 miles long. The fall from horizontal at this distance is 1.2 miles, not 12 miles.


    • jwlpeace August 29, 2015 at 5:43 pm Reply

      yea, i made a mistake and cannot get into the video to correct, my apologies. thanx for pointing it out.


    • DOMINIC December 14, 2015 at 3:23 am Reply

      The fall from horizontal at 100 miles long the curvature is 6,666.6 feet= 79992000 miles.
      I only believe in evidence my evidence proof 100% the earth is flat


    • Amanda Kramer March 14, 2016 at 8:13 am Reply

      A 1.2 mile drop on a curved surface, is still a large curved mirror reflection. The reflections as you can clearly see by looking at any images or videos online show absolutely no distortion on that surface.

      You know as well as I do, if you look at yourself in a curved mirror, you will look distorted. The reflections on that surface are kissing the horizon all around, that shows it’s flat.

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      • Bob August 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

        Amanda, the curve is SO small that you can’t see a distortion. How flat do you think your mirrors are at home? I bet they are further out from flat than 8 inches in a mile (1 part in nearly 8000, or just over 0.01%)!

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  7. uhmno September 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm Reply

    you can’t correct your math in either the video or the article?

    as you and your cohorts say incessantly, “hmmmmm.”


    • jwlpeace September 6, 2015 at 8:14 pm Reply

      I did not know it was also incorrectly stated in the post as well. thanx for pointing it out, will correct.

      FYI, Nitpicking and avoiding discussions of big topics like a 500 yr. massive lie, as well as all other math figures being correct indicates shillspecious activities…things that make us truthers go hmmm…. back at ya!


  8. uhmno September 6, 2015 at 8:23 pm Reply

    The only one who is avoiding discussion is you. See your other comment where you say you “don’t have time” to refute what the commenter presented. You seem to have plenty of time to promote FE and incessantly repeat “why do the rivers flow uphill.” But when someone gives you a completely sane answer, it’s back to the bible quotes and YOUR INTERPRETATION (often racist) of ancient knowledge.


  9. jwlpeace September 6, 2015 at 8:28 pm Reply

    Of course it’s my interpretation, whose else would it be. let’s see your body of work please so we can judge you.
    here is mine


    You Tube Channel

    here is a very important local legislative ordinance, first in the country, to pass local rights home rule for Mendocino county last month.

    I’m calling you out dude, let’s see what you’ve got to share and be ridiculed with. ..yea, i thought so!!! so let’s just end with a big STFU. thanx.

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  10. Howard Kimbel December 16, 2015 at 12:26 am Reply

    I genuinely like what you are doing here and have reviewed some things here plus those evidences collected and expounded by Eric Dubay… For example: flat horizon no matter the direction you look or altitude. Moonshine or sunset water reflection straight line to viewer. Sun’set’s last light seems to gather around ‘setting’ Sun. Sun ‘hotspots’ visible above clouds; Triangulation of splayed rays through clouds indicative of close illumination source; stars and constellations orbit Polaris no matter your position in northern latitudes; even the one about jetliners traveling 500mph at cruise not having to set ‘trim’ on stabilizers to keep them following the contour of allegedly curved earth… etc, etc, & etc. All this is amazing, convincing and hardly refutable… The one I find that I CANNOT relate to is the flow of rivers ‘proof’ something about running ‘uphill’. According to this argument, On a curved surface as a globe or sphere (if ‘gravity’ or density/buoyancy are at play) any direction you walk is neither uphill or downhill is it? since you are always at the same angle to the center of the earth. well I dont get that one… nor do I get the idea that we should feel rotation on a ‘merry go round that takes 24hrs to rotate… that is a SLOW, BORING MERRY-GO-ROUND!

    The ones I like are:
    1)if sun is holding us in its orbit why does it not suck the oceans off the globe surface.
    2 How the hell would the atmosphere resist dissipation by the vacuum of space unless the atmosphere is physically contained! (on the other hand, if it is physically contained, should it not be the same pressure at all altitudes?) Okay, no I dont get that one either… 😦
    3) why the ‘weight’ of an item or body is not measurably less at the equator of the globe as this is where the greatest centrifugal force would be felt….
    4) Likewise how is the weight of an item or body is not measurably greater at the North pole where there is NO CENTRIFUGAL FORCE WHATEVER!?

    Thanks all.


    • jwlpeace December 16, 2015 at 4:57 pm Reply

      Yes, you’re on the path of discovery by questioning everything. It was a year ago i came to the same thought process’ and since I’ve only gotten further confirmation that “flat is where it’s at!”.


    • Bob August 8, 2016 at 11:45 pm Reply

      Howard, to answer your questions:

      1. The Sun does pull the oceans off the Earth’s surface (just not far!), have a look at “spring” and “neap” tides!
      2. There is no “border” between atmosphere and the “vacuum” of space – pressure simply decreases with altitude (try climbing Mount Everest!).
      3. It is! By about 0.5%! See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force#Weighing_an_object_at_the_Earth.27s_poles_and_on_the_equator.
      4. It is – see answer to 3!

      Howard, scientists for the last 2000 years have not been unaware of the “proofs” offered to support a flat Earth. Every one has been answered. Unfortunately, science education is generally so poor (or maybe just focusses on the wrong things) that most people are not aware of the easily accessed answers.


  11. Howard Kimbel December 17, 2015 at 4:43 pm Reply

    I think I have to take it as a matter of personal comfort because, like the whole ‘actors in government’ / ‘fake media events’ machine exposed by www,.wellaware1.com it is not terribly interesting to most folks… Most have really profound responses such as: ‘so who ya gonna vote for’?


  12. Howard Kimbel December 17, 2015 at 4:49 pm Reply

    Also, I notice that there is quite a bit of time between posted responses… indicating a lack of an interested audience? Bummer


  13. Manny January 27, 2016 at 4:37 pm Reply

    Hello, I became convinced of the geocentric universe in 2011/2012 but had not considered flat earth until a couple of months ago. While I am not yet a FE believer, I am a BE skeptic. Thanks for your work. Manny Clay


  14. CrackTheCode January 27, 2016 at 10:03 pm Reply

    My sentiments exactly Manny …

    I have to get to the bottom of this. If we have been deceived on every other issue, then why not this too? I can find no sound and conclusive evidence that the earth is a sphere.


  15. Michael Lynn February 24, 2016 at 1:28 pm Reply

    Thanks, I really appreciate and enjoy your research.


  16. Amanda Kramer March 14, 2016 at 8:04 am Reply

    Listen for those of you whom are curious and want to get to the bottom of this, the world is pancake flat and I’ll give you 2 examples you can verify yourself, thermal imaging/infrared/night vision, and reflections.

    Thermal imaging and others only work in a straight line, they don’t work on a curved surface. You can figure out the curve via earth curve calculators online, find yourself a camera that would shoot over the curve, and voila, you have your answer.

    The other way is reflections, we’ve all looked in a curved mirror and seen a distortion. There is a place on earth that acts as a giant mirror, the Bolivia Salt Flats, aka Salar De Uyuni. It’s over 11,000+sq km, and would be a 12 mile curved down mirror on a globe. All you have to do is look at the reflections, there are many images and videos online of it. here is a perfect example:

    No distortion anywhere in those reflections, and remember, on a globe, that surface would be a 12 mile curved mirror.


    • Amanda Kramer March 14, 2016 at 4:47 pm Reply

      Sorry not 12 mile curve, 1.2 mile curve or about 6500ft. Either way, that is a giant curved mirror on a globe which would be very evident from the reflection. Elevation was also tested across the entire plain and it was found to only be a 3ft difference.


      • jwlpeace March 14, 2016 at 4:51 pm

        Made the error calculation in the vid/doc and corrected in show liner notes. Thanx for the note.


    • nmkloster December 13, 2016 at 9:28 am Reply

      Here is an example you can do yourself. Let’s simulate the supposed curve of the salt flats over 10 miles. Get a 10″ mirror. Find a completely flat surface. Take a hair from your head. Place it under the middle of the mirror (ideally you should split the hair in half but let’s skip that for extra effect). Press down on the edges of the mirror. Tadaaa! That’s how much curve there is on your curved salt flats mirror over 10 miles.


    • BurntToast December 14, 2016 at 3:15 am Reply


      You said “No distortion anywhere in those reflections”. Is this a simply a claim, or are there measurements or other specific evidence available to understand what you said?



  17. michaelgeorgeau July 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm Reply

    Aircraft, to maintain level flight, are trimmed to fly at the same altitude above sea level. It’s a balancing act between thrust, gravity, lift and drag. The only way for an aircraft to fly a straight path at an angle away from sea level is to apply more thrust and ascend. So your assertions about aircraft on this page are a bit silly. You might want to talk to any pilot to get some basics about flying and the forces that act on a plane in flight.

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  18. michaelgeorgeau July 23, 2016 at 3:59 pm Reply

    I would like to know where in the world any river ascends during its course. Water always flows downwards relative to sea level. Curvature is not a factor. Only the distance from the centre of the Earth – down is closer to the centre. In FE terms, down is the direction from any altitude that descends to a lower altitude. Liquid water cannot gain altitude without being put under pressure via a pump or similar.

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  19. Max Almond (@Adonis_Mouse) July 31, 2016 at 3:39 pm Reply

    How did you calculate that the Mississippi is 11 miles higher at its mouth than at its source?


    • jwlpeace July 31, 2016 at 3:50 pm Reply

      i cannot find what you are referring to. please copy and paste for an informed response. thanx.


  20. Keith Barlow August 13, 2016 at 6:57 am Reply

    michaelgeogeau has the correct answers. Aeroplanes actually need to be angled to gain height to counter the force of gravity, but this is imperceptible if you are on board as all is balanced by speed and flaps to keep the plane level compared to the slight curvature below. Try turning off a plane’s engine and see what happens!
    River comment also 100% accurate! Go to any point on a river, measure altitude above sea level, then go downstream anywhere and measure again, and it will be lower. Obvious due to gravity!


  21. jriley306@gmail.com March 23, 2017 at 9:42 am Reply

    in relation to flying: Flight dynamics are based on a flat earth…. you do the math!


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