Whether the Earth is sphere, or flat and round, circumnavigation is not an issue here. Think of a needle going around on a record player.
“Circular sailing no more proves the world to be a globe than an equilateral triangle. The sailing round the world would, of course, take very much longer, but, in principle, it is exactly the same as that of the yachtsman circumnavigating the Isle of Wight. Let me give a simple illustration. A boy wants to sail his iron toy boat by a magnet, so he gets a basin, in the middle of which he places a soap-dish, or anything else which he may think suitable to represent the Earth, and then fills the basin with water to display the sea. He puts in his boat and draws it by the magnet round his little world. But the boat never passes over the rim to sail under the basin, as if that were globular, instead of being simply circular. So is it in this world of ours; from the extreme South we can sail from East to West or from West to East around it, but we cannot sail from North to South or from South to North, for we cannot break through intervening lands, nor pass the impenetrable ramparts of ice and rocks which enclose the great Southern Circumference.” -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (68)
“A very good illustration of the circum-navigation of a plane will be seen by taking a round table, and fixing a pin in the centre to represent the magnetic pole. To this central pin attach a string drawn out to any distance towards the edge of the table. This string may represent the meridian of Greenwich, extending due north and south. If now a pencil or other object is placed across, or at right angles to the string, at any distance between the centre and the circumference of the table, it will represent a vessel standing due east and west. Now move the pencil and the string together in either direction, and it will be seen that by keeping the vessel (or pencil), square to the string it must of necessity describe a circle round the magnetic centre and return to the starting point in the opposite direction to that in which it first sailed.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (226)
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The lack of comments and discussion leads me to ask: “What is the audience of this website?”
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anyone and everyone that seeks alternative narratives and truths to the massive lies that have been perp’d on us all for centuries and wishes to change the world for the better….that and a ton of shills, trolls, disinfo agents and some very professionally programmed zombies who fear to open their minds to new possibilities.
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Hey man, I respect your right to believe we live on a flat plane of existence, however absurd and and laughable that may be.
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In reply to above what is so laughable about my comment stating that we cannot navigate on a ball there’s nothing funny about the fact that yes we can navigate on a level flat surface but cannot navigate on a spear ball object now that is laughable so fella you have it the other way around I’m laughing at your mindset the shoe is on the other foot I’m laughing at you I find it hard to respect you for your inability to be a man and open your eyes and believe what you see rather than what you’re taught your informed by someone misinforming you and that is the idea of, satanism so you are in the devil’s workshop and you’re worshiping the Devil by believing in a lie, so I find it hard to respect you for choosing to be ignorant and dumb and foolish and believing in nunsense the laugh is on you.😂
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Just flat-earthers who like to drop a link to this site in the middle of arguments on the internet. I like to reply by dropping a flatearth.ws link.
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I’m going to regret posting on a site like this, but…
If the circular, flat earth theory were correct, then simple geometry says that circumnavigating the earth would take longer the farther from the north pole one gets; the circumnavigation paths would get longer and longer. But we find from experience in ships and airplanes that this is not the case.
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because they are always traveling East and West on parallel routes. look at shipping lines, submarine cables, etc. all East/West…but I dont’ think this answers your question. This is also why Mr. Space, DeGrasse Tyson, is calling Earth now “pear shaped” because he is having to account for the increased latitudes down in the Southern Hemi.
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so you are telling that if you take an airplane and fly around the globe on the latitude 70N, it would be many times quicker than another airplane flying around the globe on the latitude 70S?
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The northern and southern latitudes are the same – I live down there and can vouch for it! Robgrimbo@hotmail.com
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Simple imagination says that a boat wouldn’t be able to get over the edge of a flat earth without tilting over the edge, you would definitely feel that! Does anyone have any experiences with that happening?
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No they don’t because when they’re sailing at sea level at the end of their Journey they reach the shore which is well we all know that’s dirt, Rock, and it’s all level, they don’t fall over no Edges, so that’s a silly thought in itself.
Look if you ask a… captain of a ship.. does his instruments record any curvage, he will tell you NO just ASK ONE, the only time the ship is not totally sea level is when it’s going up a wave or coming down a wave but they travel perfectly level sea going calm seas or in a harbor, that’s why it’s called sea level, it’s not called Sea… curvage.
Ships never go over any curvage regardless of how massive the the ball so-called ball is there’s no courage to be recorded so why claim you see what isn’t there, your imagination is telling you you see something that isn’t measured or recorded in history, so what does that tell you.
It’s an imaginary curvage.
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Ummm, so wheres Antarctica on the map?
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Present day technical know how should permit an aircraft or drone to circumnavigate the north / south axis and prove the fact the earth is what has been taught ; why not??
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exactly, why has no pilot circumnavigated North pole over South pole and back to North again??
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There actually has been a circumnavigation around both poles. I mean for fucks sake if you’re going to make insane claims at least back it up. PanAm did it as a promotion for their 50th anniversary.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GFZOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9vgDAAAAIBAJ&dq=pan+am+50th+anniversary&pg=1973,3373450&hl=en
1) acknowledge that your hypothesis has a distinct set of repercussions distinct from the generally accepted theory, and demonstrate that those testable observations (a disproportionately longer distance for trips at southern longitudes to their northern counterparts being an obvious one). On your map a trip around Antarctica should take an extraordinarily long time, why Is it in fact the opposite?
2) You say “have you ever seen a captain observe curvature? Just ask!” as though curvature isn’t something that’s readily experienced by any person who lives on the ocean. People have observed ships and objects float from or beyond the horizon, indicating that the earth is curved.
3) Why does it appear that seasons are correlated with an axial tilt of a spherical earth? There are proportional changes in southern and northern latitudes in the amount of day given the time of year. 6 hour day in the far south is proportional to an 18 hour day in the far north, and vice versa depending on the time of year. This seems relatively inexplicable according to the hypothesis of a flat earth.
4) Shadows at different longitudes. Get a buddy to try it out with you and see what you observe.
Flying up into the air and saying “looks flat to me” isn’t really the best way to do this.
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The burden of proof is on you flat earthers. Use these airplanes or drones to show us the earth’s edge. I’m not talking some outer space picture of the earth’s curvature at some weird angle either.
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Actually there has already been an expedition which has circircumnavigated the north south axis, but idiots who believe a flat earth diocy ignore it because its inconvenient to their backwards ignorant thinking, let alone the spherical plantoid bodies orbiting the sun with us.
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Seems to be an answer here
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface
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Your first clue this is false is “Sir” before a name, meaning they have done sometimes secret work for the Queen and Vatican (Sir (fake) Paul MCCartney, Sir Richard Branson, Sir Rudolph Guiliani, etc. ect.
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OK… I’ll bite:
Check out Jennifer Murray (plain old Ms)
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Jennifer Murray’s father is Sir William Mather. A british industrialist.
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So do you actually have an intelligent or logical rebuttal to this yet? Or are you still trying to prove your point of “the Earth is round is a conspiracy” w/another “conspiracy THEORY”?
Which mind you, was ONLY AFTER your FIRST reply:
jwlDunce: “exactly, why has no pilot circumnavigated North pole over South pole and back to North again??”
MULTPLE PEOPLE: “(actually it has, here’s proof w/links….)”
jwlDunce: “Your first clue this is false is “Sir” before a name, meaning they have done sometimes secret work for the Queen and Vatican (Sir (fake) Paul MCCartney, Sir Richard Branson, Sir Rudolph Guiliani, etc. ect.”
*Well, FYI dummy, they’re NOT THE ONLY ONES, just the FIRST! What about all the others who DIDN’T have “Sir” in their names that have done it? What’s your reasoning there? Why was their circumnavigation fake or another “conspiracy”? WE’LL WAIT…..
Hahaha, you TRIED to make a point the Earth is flat by asking why no one has ever circumnavigated from North to South Poles (WHICH, they have!), but then someone pointed out you were wrong, so your response then becomes, “well that was fake & another conspiracy itself”! Buahahaha! You just proved your hypocrisy w/your own stupidity & replies!!! Christ, what a moron…..
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Have you constructed a model that explains the relative positions of the stars, planets, and their orbits relative to a flat earth? …or have an idea of how we should change our approach to understanding particle physics and the behavior of light in our universe (multiverse?) in order to align what can be observed with a flat earth model?
I’m not trying to debunk —simply curious how things work from a different perspective.
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So….
1)how thick exactly would the flat round earth disc be ?
2) For if you start at one pole, and flew straight towards and past and over the other pole, then go 90 degr ‘down’ (assuming the disc does have an ending at both poles, and the edge of the flat disc is square) and fly until you reach the underside of the flat disc, then make another 90 degr turn, you can just continue flying straight ahead along the underside of the disc (assuming you carry along enough fuel) until you reach the other edge of the earth, and assuming that’s also perfectly square, and you turn 90 degr ‘up’, you would also end up at the starting point again, therefore having circumnavigated the flat disc…..right ?
3) What exactly is on the underside of the flat round earth disc ?
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In a flat earth, where is the centre of gravity? What is the shape beneath the surface? The only object on which gravitational “down” is always perpendicular to the surface is a sphere, and I’ve seen photos of penguins and they generally stand roughly upright. If the earth where flat then the line to the centre of gravity at the extreme borders would be at an extreme angle and “down” would mean penguins doing a Michael Jackson Smooth Criminal lean just to stay “upright”. What is the model that explains this?
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These nuts will tell you there is no gravity. Also there are no satellites and NASA is fake, implying all space programs Russian, European, Japanese and Chinese are also fake. I’m still trying to argue with them, But you could say that only proves that I’m insane.
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Wow. You just can’t get the big spinning ball picture out of your head. BTW “gravity” the mysterious unexplainable, incomprehensible, magical force you speak of isn’t even a real force. Things which have molecules packed more densely than air fall because the air molecules cannot support them. Things with less density than air are float, and why shouldn’t they? After all, you claim there needs to be a magical force to hold them to the earth… I say that’s silly.
So up and down….. up and down…… up and down. That’s about it. That simple. Sorry it’s so simple your toddler should probably explain it to you.
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It’s true! even an toddler can explain that.. and that’s why he’s a toddler.
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Up and down also if the earth was truly a sphere; as one traverses its curvature, one would be moving up and down simultaneously. Lo
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wouldnt it be possible to fly over the “south pole” without flying over the real center of the south pole?
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Fact check = YOU FAIL. Ships prove the Earth is a round globe.
From a ships upper deck 20-feet above sea level, the horizon is only 5.43 miles away.
Anything at sea level farther away than that is not visible.
Due to the curvature of the Earth, as you get closer you will see it.
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Wow. Not true at all. I’m a commercial salmon fisherman and I can tell you I personally now believe in a flat earth just because of your comment… what you just said is completely untrue…. although I can see why you’d think it would be if you were convinced we lived on a globe. I highly recommend you take a boat ride and take a telescope… you WILL SEE you are completely mistaken…
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They also believed the earth was flat during the time of Columbus til thet found america and everyone was traveling the world. You think someone would have documented and explored around earths edges, right? so, I’ll take what you say with more than a grain of salt.
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How Does A Ship Circumnavigate on a Flat Earth? – The same way as on a globe Earth…
Head either west or east and eventually arrive back at your same starting latitude.
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Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
Is it demanded by your religious conviction or do you just have a low IQ?
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Both
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Let us assume you are correct in saying the “Powers that Be” wanted to indoctrinate the belief in a Round Earth when the truth is that the Earth is Flat. This would imply that they have some advantage to gain from dis informing the population, specifically to believe in a Round Earth when in fact Earth is Flat.
Based on this, it would then be to the detriment of the “Powers that Be” to correctly inform the population of a Flat Earth.
Why then does the Catholic Church push the Flat Earth agenda so hard in the dark ages, if the Illuminati style “Powers that Be” are helped by people believing an illusion, why would they ever give the population the truth?
If we now consider the alternate, the Earth is Round, and they have been indoctrinating you with the belief that the Earth is Flat, perhaps even now in present times with various sites like these, making you question your beliefs. Then it would make sense why they pushed the Earth is Flat agenda in the past, as it keeps the public dis informed from the truth, allowing them to pursue their agenda’s.
Pythagoras and Plato were both attributed with stating the Earth is a sphere, also in the Bible when Enoch is taken up to the Heaven’s he speaks of how he is able to see the “Curvature of the Earth”, a very ancient indication of the spherical nature of the planet.
Finally, a body in constant rotation itself, and around another larger body, would due to Centrifugal Forces converge to a spherical shape over time, according to basic mathematical and scientific principles.
Now it can be said that what if all mathematical and scientific principles are a lie, what if the Bible and all Greek History is a lie, what if the history on the Catholic Church is all a lie. This argument cannot be disproved, but it would also in turn disprove your Flat Earth theory in itself, as you can then argue all information this is based upon is a lie.
So there is some requirement for mutually accepted “facts” in order to debate the validity of a theory.
I have listed the above objectively as things that jump to mind when presented the Flat Earth theory, and why we would have been indoctrinated by a Round Earth theory. May any who are able to see the light benefit from its rays.
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read your bible what does it say read psalms 104 versus 5 he has prepared Earth upon it’s foundations so that it will never move so the earth is not moving it is completely still so when were told…it’s moving 67,000 miles an hour around the sun that is a lie, So…then why wouldn’t you believe that the ball Earth is a lie you… cannot navigate a…ship on a ball of… water it has to be Level and… flat… level in order too … navigate. Why is… the general public having such a problem to understand this, what is the logic of your thinking I would assume that you may have a learning disability because you cannot comprehend that a ship has to be level it has to be on a flat ocean it cannot sail around a ball like object if it did it could not stay level all the way around use the brains that God gave you and just think about it this is not hard it’s not rocket scientist it’s just difficult for you because you’ve been brainwashed all your life and you have a stubborn mind why not have a open mind in order to absorb the correct knowledge don’t be close to the truth because then you’re only blindfolded a closed mind will never expand it’s knowledge is very limited and inferior. Michael Glenn Briggs SR.
McHenry, Maryland. U. S. A.
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You can’t be expect someone to understanding your ideas if you find it so difficult to understand theirs. The Bible doesn’t explain the depth of science, it’s a spiritual guide.
The same science we use to create technology is the same science we use to explain our physical world. It’s hard to convince someone that the same principles used to build the world around them (cars, buildings, the internet) are used to deceive them. We can apply these same principles over and over with the same results.
You refer to one verse in the Bible as your only proof without tests or experiments to back it up. I interpret the verse differently. I think it’s meant to comfort us. Let us know the earth as a whole is a solid and ridged object which cannot be destroyed by earthquakes, washed away with water, or blown away with wind.
What law tells you a ship cannot circumvent a spherical object in space. It may be hard to conceive if you over simply everything with the scriptures.
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Admiral Byrd found land beyond the pole, about 2,500 miles of land. The United nations and NASA were created to quell the cattle. The ruler of this earth have many followers and one third of total angelic principalities. If the earth was known to be flat, more people would follow the bible.
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The point is if Satan is ruling this earth, he would advocate, or create a theory that does not allow for a God to exis; this makes man insignificant and faith in the Lord diminishes greatly.
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note John… the SO called…scientist you stated that those who believe in the Flat Earth have a low IQ I think you got that backwards I think you need to explain to me how you could navigate a ship around…a ball like object explain to me how that can be done that’s impossible you cannot explain it because if you did it would be nonsense and that would prove that it is you that have the low IQ in order to navigate a ship it has to be on a flat level surface it cannot go downhill or uphill it cannot go around a ball like object
… it. HAS…to be a level surface and therefore the ship could not sail around a ball…because at some point it would have to go down to the point where it would be vertical to the point where it would be upside down to the point where it would be vertical again to the point… when it reaches a Top … it would then be horizontal your thinking is ridiculous and you think that we have lower IQs I think it’s the other way around John the scientist so-called.
unfortunately I regret having to say this John but because of your statements I think you are a clown.
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A major problem with what you have drawn in your map is that it is NOT the race route used by those setting records for circumnavigation of the globe. The route used travel south of Australia and New Zealand which — in a flat earth map makes zero sense if you are going after the fastest time. If the earth were flat then yes, as you have drawn it would be faster–so your line showing the circumnavigation is misleading and inaccurate. https://aplanetruth.info/11-how-does-a-ship-circumnavigate-on-a-flat-earth/
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come on now think about this if the Earth was a ball globe then the ships when they went over the edge it would become a waterfall water has to be completely horizontal and level and it could not be horizontal following the shape of a round Spear and you cannot convert a sphere into a flat level surface so since you cannot do that and the fact that it’s completely flat then that would support the Flat Earth theory think think and maybe you’ll get somewhere good luck
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Than why, if you are in a plane traveling from Los Angeles to Tokyo, does it travel distinctly East with only minute variation?
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My guess is the flat earth theory came about after observations of the moon seeing it appears static and doesn’t rotate. But then the phases of the moon clearly show it’s surface has a curvature. The “flat earthers” have little imagination and have been fooled by an agenda to completely dumb down the population. The flat earth is illogical.
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I would like to see someone explain to me how you could take a spear ball like object which is…a shape of a ball, and condense and convert that into a flat plane, when we live on a flat plane, now where do we walk where we start going down over the ball..
it’s all flat come on people just look around, do all the experiments you want, show me how to take a ball and convert it into a flat plane you explain that and then show me how it’s done and take me to a part on the ball where WE…start walking down the curve and keep going down and down, you can’t take me to that place cuz it doesn’t exist, you can think and say what you want prove it materialistically!!!
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There is an edge of a ‘flat plane’. If you can find it please take a picture.
There is no edge of a ball/sphere. Walking to the ‘down part’ would be the same as the location you started because the ‘down part’ is the center of the sphere (beneath your feet, just like it would be on a flat earth) but it’s not. Remember there is no edge of a ball. With out direction you would not know which way is down. You have to take your current frame of reference out of the equation.
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You would have to get on the other side of the Antarctic wall which faces the “edge” travel a distance away until you could see the entirety of it.
At least, the earth is about 7 miles thick according to the Russian drilling a few decades back, I believe.
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The earth is really really big compared to us so it isn’t flat it just seems that way.if you were the size of a bacteria and lived on a tennis ball it would seem flat but we all know its round. Just accept that we humans are not special and were just a blip in vastness of the universe.
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The record is making a continuous left or right TURN in relation to the needle. Circumnavigation means traveling in a straight line in any direction and ending up back where you started. A piece of string pulled straight and wrapped once, anywhere you want, around a basketball. Only a sphere can do that. Not a piece of string gently laid into a circle on a record, as main idea of the article is analagous to.
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The only thing proven here is a whole lot of scientific illiteracy. Why is it so important to believe the earth is flat anyway… is this what the bible says or something? And why would all the world’s governments want to cover that up in some giant conspiracy? What would be the point of that? If the earth was flat we would all know about it because the evidence would be abundantly clear, it would not need special provisions to explain it, and a cover up of that basic truth would provide no value to anyone. Intelligent people don’t just blindly believe something because “that’s what we’re told all our lives.” We aim to understand the whole system. And in this case there is an overwhelming abundance of evidence that clearly shows that the earth, like all large celestial bodies, is relatively spherical.
If it weren’t for the smartest 2-3% of people on Earth, everyone else, including the flat-Earth believers, would die as a result of their own stupidity. You’re welcome.
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Why can’t I see Mt Rainier (14,400 ft) from my house in NW Florida? There’s nothing taller between here and there. Why are there seasons? Why does the water swirl in one direction in the northern hemisphere and the other direction in the southern hemisphere as it goes down the drain? What is that light moving across the sky every hour or so if it’s not the space station? Why do ships slowly disappear as they sail away? Why are there no photos/videos of the edge? What happens to weather events (hurricanes etc.) when they reach the edge (again, no photos/videos)? Where does magma come from?
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Will may you show me the evidence that it is a sphere by taking me to an area of service where we begin to walk following the shape of a sphere which would go down down down continuously going down down down on its side that would be the proof to me that it is a sphere so you need to take Mankind and his photographers to that area of soil on this planet photographer it and I shall see it and go there myself and then will become a believer that we live on a sphere until you can do that I believe we live on a flat Earth plain and simple the fact is reality reality is it’s all flat mentally in your head it is a ball but you have no factual evidence to back up your thought process so you need to get working on that!!
Michael Glenn Briggs SR.
McHenry, MD. USA.
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If you went south until you came to the coast of Antarctice and say you turned left (East) and began to follow the coastline, if the earth is flat, in order to keep the coast line in view you would have adjust your course by making steering adjustments to the left, if the earth is a globe and you did the same thing, you would have to make steering adjustments to the right to keep the coast in view. Seems like it would be easy to prove one way or the other. Not to mention that there are tours that will take you to Antarctica. Don’t you think someone would have figured it out by now, without any speculation, but, hard fact, that the earth is either flat or round.
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And under the flat model, if you started at a fixed point on the Antarctic coast line, sailing along the coast, it would take you at least three or four times as long to make it back to the starting point right? You would literally have to go all the way around the world. If the Antarctic ice is entirely covering the rim of the circle-flat earth the mileage it would take would be much more than the mileage recorded under the global model. So that should be a pretty good indication, and the best proof of either argument. Has anyone ever done that?
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Thank you someone for being intelligent. Both models are solid models. That’s why this debate is 400 years old. Circle the Anarctic coast. People should also think about things like biochemistry and how other life could form on other planets(if there are any), through being based off of other elements than Carbon. Lol.
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Good Grief. I don’t believe it – we’ve been lied to for so many years! When you read the arguments for a flat earth, it all makes such perfect scientific sense, and not at all in conflict with the physical and observable evidence that is quite literally around us all the time. I feel like such a fool for being duped! You’ve guessed it, I’m being a little sarcastic (but only just a little).I want to play devil’s advocate a little, and ask: If we have been lied to about the world being flat – why? What benefit is the deception to the deceivers?
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Fly your plane from South America over the south pole and keep going. You will find your answer depending on whether you reach either water or “The Edge”. You can’t help but fly off the edge if you follow a straight line.
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Morons and idiots who don’t even think gravity exists. Explain satellites. Explain at one point when someone becomes a scientist they are given the truth the earth is flat but must make everyone believe it is round, what is the gain for such a lie? Explain how you can watch a ship sink over the horizon on a ocean as it gets further away. Explain why mountain climbers can’t see everything around the world such as the Bible claims at one point. You people have nothing, all you display is a lack of knowledge and you want to feel smart but claiming otherwise. People like you are the ones that hold technology back, medicine back. If it was so easy to hoax Planet travel we would of been to Mars and back with no hinderence. They would claim there were no problems going there. So if the earth is flat what good does it do us? How does that bring us more knowledge and get us closer to traversing the stars and spreading across the galaxy.
Oh yeah also explain meteors or why I can use a telescope to see stars and the surface of the moon. What does accepting the fact the universe is infinite lead to? Small minded morons.
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The earth pear shape is not new idiots. It’s to account for the massive areas we have that are filled with ocean water. No one ever claimed the earth or any planet for that matter is a perfect sphere.
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Gravity draws objects to the center of the earth that is how a ship can navigate around the world.
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What does it matter if the earth is flat or round? Will finding out one way or another change any aspect of your life? One thing I haven’t noticed anyone else bring up is the fact that we have all played into whatever sort of trap this is, and that is to be against one another. If you truly believe that you have the truth is the most effective way to present your knowledge actually to insult another person? If you want to convince me of something the last thing you should do is call me names. The real point here is that this subject is giving you a reason to hate another. If you believe that all life’s answers can be found in god and you rely on religion to help you experience life, then haven’t you failed? God wants all of his children to love each other. What is the ultimate goal of scientific exploration? The betterment of man? Has the existence of this long incredibly drawn out argument of spherical or flat earth achieved any growth or advancement of our species? Or have we been lead down a rabbit hole? Whether it is flat or not I am glad to be a part of it and hope deeply that we can begin to realize that each of us is this planet. The real issue is we are being taught in so many aspects of our lives to distrust one another. Look at every “hot button” issue through these eyes and you will see it holds true.
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What is on the bottom side of the earth? How do people sail all the way around if it is flat?
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This is just about the most ridiculous conversation I have ever witnessed. Seems like the pseudo-intellectuals who want to “prove” how smart they are by taking up the Catholic Church flat world rhetoric are plentiful. The Bible clearly states that the Bible is a sphere. It also says the waters and air have currents, dark matter has weight, the air has weight, sunlight has weight, and much more, if you would just read it and educate yourself rather than misquoting it. Furthermore, if you fail to understand that some of it is poetic language and some is literal based on context, you miss a who lot of information too.
Accusing people of being “brainwashed” or “stupid” because they see that what you are saying makes no logical sense, is a strawman argument. By seeking to create a strawman argument, you negate your own persuasive strength and leap into the realm of disengagement.
Some points I think have been missed are as follows:
1) Both the poles WERE circumnavigated in the early 1980’s by a couple of British fellows.
2) There are cell towers and over ground cables (under the ocean as well, which must take into account curvature) and satellites, all to create redundancy. Towers are blocked by mountains. Satellites are blocked by weather fronts which diffuse the wave just as fog diffuses light. All satellite dished in the northern hemisphere point southward and all satellites in the southern hemisphere point northward. Why? Because they all point toward the equator. That is where most satellites are most easily placed because it is most easy to keep them stable (geostationary) over the equator where they have to make very few course corrections due to the pull of the magnetic poles and gravitational effects, Whereas geosynchronous satellites must frequently correct and therefore require more energy. However, any one of you can look up at night and see a geostationary satellite.
3) If you have ever been to the southern hemisphere (which I have),, you quickly note that the visible stars are vastly different, except that there are some joint constellations which pass over the equator (in a predictable fashion) and can be recognized on both sides of the spherical planet we live on. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot have the world be flat so that the sun produces angles base on it being closer AND claim you can potentially see infinitely because of a flat earth AND claim that there is some alternate reason that we cannot see the starts of the southern hemisphere from the other side of the planet (or vice versa).
4) Flat earth theory fails to take into account that the friends I have in Kenya and Australia (which I have made by flying over the very much curved planet) are living at a different hour of the day or night than I am here in California. Why? Because the sun is on the other side of our 24 hour rotation.
There is so much this flat earth nonsense must blind oneself to in order to believe, such as seasonal differences, night and day, blood moons, and partial and full eclipses.(which can be fully predicted based on the elliptical orbits of the moon and earth) not to mention the bulge created by the pull of the moon, which creates the water bulge we call tides. I mean I could go on for another six or seven pages if you really want to understand why being a proponent of this just makes you sound foolish. The only reason I am even posting is because I have had so many people approach me with this absurdity wanting me to “think about it.” Okay, I did. I even discussed it with my very bright 15 and 13 year old kids. They immediately recognized the faulty thinking required to buy into this.
The mere fact that so many people are so utterly paranoid about their leadership as to believe there is a worldwide conspiracy to discredit the Catholic church (one of the most pedophilic, corrupt, homosexual organization ever to have existed) is what is disturbing. BUt that I see people with little understanding and even fewer well-developed critical thinking skills promoting themselves as incredibly smart and insightful because they are easily convinced to believe the world is flat… that I find sad.
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I understand some people have the urge to find conspiracy theories everywhere, but this “theory” is beyond any logical reasoning.
I flew once from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Auckland, New Zealand. The flight took approximately 13 hours, over a distance of about 10.300km (over a spherical Earth), and the airplane, as expected, took a route through the southern Pacific Ocean, bordering the Antarctic sea. It’s the shortest path between these 2 points.
Now let’s imagine the Earth was actually flat, as in the map posted here. A straight-line flight path would have taken me over the South American Andes, Central America and California, before crossing the North Pacific and then finally down to New Zealand. It would be an absurd distance to cover, maybe over 30.000km. No commercial aircraft has this autonomy, and even if it had, it would take maybe 35 hours to fly it.
Unless of course all aircraft manufacturers, airlines, and all the millions of people who work for them are part of the conspiracy to make me believe the Earth is a (near perfect) sphere. Perhaps when I boarded the airplane, the flight crew must have dripped something on my Coca-Cola to make me hibernate for over 30 hours without realising it, then adjusted my watch so I believed only 13 hours had passed. And of course the flight information screen was fake, and the windows were actually TV screens which showed nothing but Ocean after 1-2 hours of flight to make me believe I was crossing the South Pacific.
Seriously, people.
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Proving the curvature to the ocean will be the definitive proof of a non-flat earth. That in my opinion is the smoking gun. Also, Governments lie to you, it’s there job, there is a huge motivation in lying about going to the moon during the space race with Russia.
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To the commenter claiming the flat earthers are the ones that hold science and medicine back:
-innovators don’t do well at towing the line of conventional wisdom. They question the foundations of everything in order to truly understand it. I do agree that those of either side that wish to speak, but not listen, do hold back progress. I sincerely encourage everyone to have a more ‘agnostic’ approach to all things they aren’t intimately aquatinted with. While I am nowhere near convinced of a flat earth, I do have many doubts about several conventional scientific theories. Physicists have been terrible at explaining notions of how photons, radiation, or matter travel through a vacuum. All known phenomenon transmitted in any way require a medium for that transference. Ether, spacetime, non-zero vacuum energy…all ideas create more questions than answers. Gravity, magnetic fields, even heat all have descriptions with little explaination regarding causes or anything irreducible.
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To think that water will adhere sideways to a spear just try to do that yourself and see what happens what are on the side of the spear could not be horizontal like ships that Sail those who don’t believe in Flat Earth need to explain how a ship could go down a spear and be level explain that and maybe I’ll have a little faith in you and your Globe Theory
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Spear? After reading these comments, I’m not convinced flat earthers are capable of reading, much less analyzing, any literature on the subject.
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Here we go again, just another person with a shrewd comment that cannot explain how a ship can navigate on a ball instead of giving a logical explanation I Get.. criticized for asking the question how much of an idiot can you be to not be able to answer that, You cannot explain it
because it’s not a ball.
…if I couldn’t read, I couldn’t spell to write this reply, so how’s that mr. smart alec.
I can see people always get mad and upset when another one is speaking the truth and you have no answer because you don’t have enough sense to realize what’s before you!!!
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Michael Briggs, I would like to answer your question as you have written it. Please read what I am writing and try to understand instead of getting upset. Go buy the biggest round object you can find such as an exercise ball or watermelon. Then take a small GI Joe figure and plant his feet on top of your round object. Now without lifting up his feet slide your GI Joe in whatever direction you would like around your round object and make a full circle to your starting place. Do you see how he does not lean or fall, and he is always standing up straight, as long as his feet are kept on the surface? Now imagine that GI Joe is metal and there is a powerful magnet inside the middle of your round object. Because of this magnet, you could let you GI Joe figure go and he would continue to stand up straight, and not lean or fall no matter where on the round object you placed him. The earth has a magnet in its center just like this called gravity. Gravity prevents everything on earth, including people and oceans, from leaning or falling as we move around our planet. Like your GI Joe, we can walk a full circle around earth without ever leaning or falling as long as we keep our feet on the surface.
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Anyone who believes this Earth is flat madness should actually sail around the world….if its flat then how does gravity work, tides, sunrise, sunsets, sailing by constellations, etc?….Ive sailed around the once FYI….its round.
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If I explained it to you, you wouldn’t believe it anyway so there’s no point in me even bothering, as far as you seeking your answers from the flat-earthers this one’s not going to give you one!
you’ll have to wait until you meet your Master, in heaven.
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You haven’t replied anyone who gave logical arguments like Hail Mary R.Edster. You claim non flat earthers are blind to the teuth but you do not counter loical arguments with logic only “if I explain it you wouldn’t understand” Please explain eclipses and their predictability. Or direct me to soneone who can.
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Go to Eric Dubay.com
Ask him.
Good luck, with your search, as well …reasoning, the answers.
As far as myself why I’m so concerned over this matter is I can’t comprehend how the transportation system throughout this country could navigate on a surface of a ball structured spear in my opinion you would need the flat level surfaces with Bridges and I realize there’s Hills and descents and things of this nature but they’re not that bad, Hill’s throughout our land or surveyed as acceptable for travel because they’re not too steep and vehicles can navigate over them. and down, do you go down a hill that follows the curvature of the surface of a sphere and again a round shape like a basketball, would not be suitable for trains and ships and vehicles be suitable for trains and ships, as well as the fact, sure you travel down that for the simple fact of its massive size, but how could you do that after for 5,000 miles and not notice any curvage. if you look at the Globe, surface will keep in mind, that is what we live on,
not inside the planet.
What we see with our own two eyes, is a flat level plain, and there are exceptions, Hill’s, valleys and mountainous terrains, and plateaus, but the fact is whenever we go up we must come back down, soon sooner or later .,when we do come back down you notice it all levels out again look, at Kansas City for an example that’s a perfect example there’s not one inch of curvage it’s literally as flat as a pancake,
explain that on a ball?
Now if your comment to me is that’s a silly question, well you’re empty with no answers, and when you criticize the person for asking these questions, that is not an answer, it is a remark which I consider is a demonstration of your feelings, of anger and frustration, due to the unanswerable question, so I want an answer not a smart alec… remark.
If replied in a non anger understanding way,
Thank you!!
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I do realize that the massive size of the Earth makes it difficult for us to find the curvage however at some point you think it would be found even though it’s very gradual, if you keep going down that surface you would reach Australia, but while doing so how is it possible to stay level that is what, I can’t comprehend..
And water remaining level when it’s following the shape of a sphere and I do know that you cannot convert a ball shaped surface into a flat level plain… it’s just hard to get my head around that.
Like I had said to others the only way, I could truly be convinced that we live on a sphere is to actually see it from a spacecraft far enough away from the earth to get a 360-degree view it’s shape with my own eyes, seeing is believing unfortunately I don’t have the kind of money it takes to go up there and NASA…wouldn’t permit me to go because the public is not allowed, to go they’ve been promising the public, shuttle into outer space for over 40 year’s, and it has never materialized, why is that certainly if NASA wants the money they’d have a gold mine because America’s got a lot of millionaires that would be willing to pay whatever it takes to get up there, they’dmake a bundle of 💰. and why hasn’t someone described the ball Earth spinning 67000 miles an hour every time there’s been pictures of it, it’s completely still., it’s not blurry or nothing else so it looks like it’s quite stable and looks like it does not move, and that’s what I read in Psalms 104/ verses 5 that says the Earth was placed on his foundation and it is stable and will never ever be moved!! and if you believe in the Bible how could you say that’s wrongly stated… that would be an anti-christian statement to make, 🤔 wouldn’t be.
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I have one question for you why do you think you are on a ball going 66.6 thousand miles per hour what proof do you have that.. we are going that speed?
Other than hearsay!
Or better yet what teacher and where did she, or He get their information?
You know I can also come back to you with unanswered questions just like the ones the ball Arthur’s give me saying prove it’s flat well that’s not very hard.
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Briggs. Fact is you live on a ball. True it is difficult to conceive, and your questions are relevant. But living on a flat plane, just like a globe has many questions that you nor I could easily answer.
I will attempt to address each of your concerns one by one.
– How do we travel on a ball? Simple, gravity
– You would need the flat level surfaces with bridges…
Level means level with the ground beneath a given point. No end of a bridge or tunnel is at level with the other end
– The surface of a sphere…would not be suitable for trains and ships.
How did you determine it to be unsuitable? We cannot apply what happens on a ball on earth with what would happen in the vacuum of space.
– How could you do that (travel) after for 5,000 miles and not notice any curve?
You can notice curvature if you know what to look for. After 5,000 miles, objects that were once visible are now below the curvature of the earth and cannot be seen no matter how much you optical power you have to zoom in. At noontime, the sun is in a different location than it was where you started. Stars are also at different locations, both can be measured to determine your location on the globe with great accuracy. Lookup celestial navigation.
– What we see with our own two eyes, is a flat level plain
True. There are many things seen that aren’t actually what they seem. For instance, you may not be able to see the lean of your coffee table but placing a marble on the surface will make it evident. That picture on your wall may appear straight until you measure it with a level. In short, the answer is it’s too small of a change to detect without measurement.
– Kansas City…it’s literally as flat as a pancake, explain that on a ball
Just like you have hills and mountains, you can also have flat places on a ball. The imperfections on the surface of a billiard ball are to scale larger than any feature on earth, yet a billiard ball is relatively smooth. That area you Kansas would be small as a needle head on a billiard ball. Insignificant to its spherical structure.
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S.Black.
Thanks again for your reply.
You have made some changes in my thought process.
However there is a documentary, I would recommend that you watch from the beginning to its conclusion. Then please reply with your thoughts, concerning.. the research and studies that were performed by professionals, throughout the world that Eric, reported on.
Its title is 200 proofs that we don’t live on a Globe, by Eric Dubay.
Please give it the benefit of the doubt.
Then I’m quite sure you’ll understand why I feel the way I do, as well as the rest of the Flat-earthers.
Hope to hear from you again.
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I do realize the Earth is very huge massive size however regardless of its massive size that in itself would not change the structure shape of it and remember we’re taught that it is shaped like a ball and if you look at the shape of a ball on the sides of the ball there is no level flat-plane like we experience so how do you explain the level surface all the way around the shape of a ball that isn’t possible I don’t think any explanation would make any sense to that because you cannot convert a spear shaped object into a flat plane no matter how big or small it is that would make no difference, it wouldn’t be level all the way around, and what about the bottom of it, those people would be upside down, if it was really shaped like a ball and we live… on the surface, and Australia they would be upside down they wouldn’t be standing ..
vertically on a horizontal surface.,
That’s common sense.
I remember in a statement I received from a ball earther said that the curvage wouldn’t be noticeable on that massive size and he said just consider a picture on the wall that looks level but until measured it’s really not well that’s not a good comparison picture is basically a small object it isn’t around spear ball even though you can’t notice the curve it’s by your visuals site at some point it would be measured going down the side of it and that has not been done yet in history it’s been shown and proven that To be
flat that’s the studies and experiments that have been done all over the world, time, and time, again how do you explain that one.
Ball earthers have told me that you cannot see the curve it’s because the ball shaped Earth is just too massive and too big for you to be able to see but yet the ball earthers claim they can see a ship go over the curveage it’s within their eyesight and that’s NO more than what 10 to 15 miles at best.
And those who claim to have seen curvage captains of ships have sailed towards that curvage and it all remained she level they say they didn’t go down at all, maybe a wave but that’s it.
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F = ma
Newtonian Mechanics, relativity, etc can make incredible predictions that are reliable except in unbelievably foreign conditions (like black holes), and someone here is trying to say that what that same festively mathematical principle that always seems to be right when people from middle school students to engineers test it all day every day with the same results, that instead of downward force coming from the center of a massive object, it’s just emanating *from the fucking universe* in general. Downward for isn’t emanating mysteriously, it’s mathematically proportional to the size of objects. That is definitely less “magical” in that it at least has some physical correspondence.
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Go look at a seemingly smooth or “flat” surface under a microscope (which is just part of the reasoning your comment is so ridiculous)…. Is the entire surface you see under that microscope still flat? OR does it have any peaks, valleys, plateaus… slight curves?
It SEEMS “flat” to us because of the ratio of size between Earth to us…. So OF COURSE if it’s only a 4:1 size ratio you would notice the curvature of the ball or “sphere” as you’re traveling…. BUT, we’re literally talking about 1.26 SEXTILLIONS (that’s 1,260,000 [aka 1.26 Million] x [Multiplied by] 1,000,000,000 [aka 1 BILLION]) to 1 size ratio here for the size of Earth compared to humans. That’s another part of your problem, is you’re not giving ANY credence to just how large the Earth actually is. It’s SO MUCH LARGER than us, that it only SEEMS flat. Like if a microscopic organism were on a basketball, the portion they’re on would SEEM flat to them, even though the entirety of it is not flat… If the “ball or sphere” is large enough, then yes, you certainly could have a portion of that surface can be seemingly flat. Just how large, or should I say SMALL do you think the Earth is? It’s really not that hard to comprehend
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I have been a mariner for 15 years, I hold the highest license one can hold on the high seas and navigable waterways of this oblate spheroid we call Earth. I am sorry to inform every lunatic on this site that believes the earth is flat. I have sailed every ocean, been to all continents, I have spent my life almost entirely at sea. Michael Briggs sound truly insane, “curvage” as you so eloquently put it, means what can be seen visibly to the horizon limited to the curvature of the earth and ones elevation above sea level. And yes we do have instruments on ships that calculate “curvage”. Use use an instrument called a Sextant, which use the horizon and celestial systems of coordinates to calculate speed, distance, latitude and longitude. You can watch ships sail over the horizon with your naked eye standing on a beach, hike up a steep cliff and magically you get to watch that same ship sail over the horizon again because you have increased your height of eye. We even have corrections in celestial navigation due to refraction caused by the bending of light due to the curvature of the earth.
In conclusion Mr. Briggs you have not spoken to any sailors or merchant vessel personnel, you may have spoken to someone who drives a yacht or a dingy, definitely not any trained experienced deep sea merchant marines. My suggestion is that you move out of your mothers basement and get a job, attain some money and get in a plane and fly somewhere. Once you are in the air look out the window my dim-witted friend and see the “curvage” yourself.
Kind Regards
Someone who thinks you are all complete MORONS!
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ah, dude,
you use a globe map when navigating the High Seas?
NO, a Flat Map
Why? if the Earth is a globe?
And what time is it on a globe map at the North Pole???
I’ll wait for your answer!
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Look there is no getting away from the reality of the materialized Earth which is made up of dirt and rock and according to what I have learned it is a spear a spear is a ball-shaped object it is not flat so therefore if it is a spear then when a ship travels from let’s say Australia to North America it would have to go up a incline to follow the shape of the spear structure and when you travel the Seas on a ship you do not never go up a incline of water you always sale at sea level so therefore how could it be shape like a ball if you’re always at sea level that doesn’t make any sense what are can’t follow the shape of a spear regardless of how big it is that’s why I question this spear that I’ve learned about all of my life it would be impossible for water to follow the shape of a ball and remain level the entire time there’s no way that could happen look I type this on a small phone the keyboard does letters are very close together you may find mistakes just overlooked them and try to reason it out the best you can cuz I’m not going back and edit this thing it’s just too much trouble
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Well then if this is true and you are who you really are may I asked you what happens to water when it becomes unlevel answer me that question I’m waiting to hear your response.
And if you reply calling me a lunatic one more time I will disregard your comment immediately for I will not tolerate this anymore if you can’t respond respectfully do not respond at all got it!!!
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The only way I will believe you hold a license is if you email me a copy of it I will provide you with my email address if you are willing to do so.
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Hello I’m Captain T.M.Howard,I respect people’s opinions however it’s impossible for the Earth to be a rotating planet flying through space. I didn’t believe it either but it is Flat my fellow earth friends.Aloha
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Hello, I’m the REAL Captain T.M. Howard & don’t appreciate you using my name to sound like a complete moron! So please stop! Mahalo
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I was just wondering if the earth is flat, and looking at the map above, how can a ship sail in only one direction (west) and reach another continent? For example, how can a ship sail from the west coast of the United States and reach the Asia’s?
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My name is Mike from Western Maryland.
I used to be a flat earther however I got sick and tired of the ridiculing and with my temper I just decided to give it up it was useless I have no way of proving it’s flat so I just gave it up and if anyone is smart their do the same thing. Even though all the land around us is flat that wasn’t enough proof for the General Public.
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So you mean you got sick & tired of not being able to answer legitimate questions BEYOND your only point of reasoning that “well, all the land around us that we walk on is flat (WHICH, actually no, it’s not), then the whole Earth MUST BE flat”?….
Wow, that seems even dumber & more ridiculous when you break it down & simplify it….
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No one seriously believes this, right? It has to be satire because there is no way anyone could seriously believe the earth is flat. It was believed to be a globe in the BC centuries, long before any modern government existed. There is no reason for anyone to lie about the shape of our planet or about gravity. Everyone who claims they think earth is flat are just pretending to believe that- it’s way too ludicrous for anyone to seriously believe it.
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I keep seeing the argument that on a sphere you’d keep going down until you fall off or if in an airliner the pilot would be making downward corrections. on a disc circumnavigation would require constant left or right turn course corrections. Now I know why NASCAR is so popular.
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Ha, this is some of the dumbest logic I’ve ever seen or heard…. good God, how moronic!
You also don’t even have all the Earth’s continents on this “Flat Earth” map of yours haha. And the path of travel is SO ridiculous. Also, please explain how people have literally taken a boat from Alaska across the Bearing Strait to EASTERN Russia… I’ll wait…
This is BEYOND stupid. “We can’t live on a ball/sphere because the earth doesn’t curve, it’s flat”… “the water surface has to remain level & horizontal, it couldn’t be on a sphere or ball or you wouldn’t be able to navigate…” WHAT!? I guess mountains are fake & a lie too (I mean, how do people navigate, hike or walk on them w/them not being flat/horizontal/level)!?!? And the shots from space showing all other planets, INCLUDING EARTH are ALL ROUND. So, how do you explain that one? Or how does the sun move around us? Why doesn’t it remain in the SAME PATH OF TRAVEL DAY AFTER DAY, instead of changing w/the seasons?
This is SO DUMB… and anytime there’s a question you or the other supporters can’t answer intelligently or logically, then the answer is ANOTHER CONSPIRACY (the circumnavigated journey of the North to South pole was “fake”, saying “our first clue this is false is “Sir” before a name, meaning they have done sometimes secret work for the Queen and Vatican (Sir (fake) Paul MCCartney, Sir Richard Branson, Sir Rudolph Guiliani, etc. etc.” blah, blah, blah…). You ALL sound SO ridiculous!
BUT, keep it up dipshits, cause this is hilariously entertaining!!!!!!!! THANKS!
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I seen these opening words above, “Think of a needle going around on a record player.” and have a question:
Where can I gets me one of thems record players with a needle that goes around and around? The needle on my turntable just won’t budge and only goes up and down.
Thank y’all in advance.
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Submarines also don’t have any instruments on board to follow a curve.
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